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Old 17.02.2017, 03:21 PM
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This is the crux of the issue. the vote was close enough to call it 50/50, for the purpose of discussion.
Now concessions could have been made to appease the passionate half of the country who want to remain in the EU. We could have kept ties to europe. We could have tried to go down the norway or switzerland model. We could have tried to negotiate to stay in the single market.

All of these negotiations might have failed, we'll never know, because 'Hard Brexit' was the only result even considered by the government. And parliament had a vote, yes. With the opposition party under 3 line whip to agree with the government. And the house of lords being threatened not to go against the deal less they be done away with.

This isn't democracy.
It might upset you, but it's well within the established and much-used rules for being the British government.
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Old 17.02.2017, 03:36 PM
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It might upset you, but it's well within the established and much-used rules for being the British government.
Absolutely it is. What makes it different is both the lies utilised in the run up to brexit (remainers warning about having to leave the single market whilst leavers insisted we could keep our existing access) and the vicious attacks and forewarnings placed upon anyone who dare speak out against it - from both politicians and media.

Witness the Mail and their "Enemies of the People' headline - aimed at judges daring to do their job.
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Old 17.02.2017, 04:10 PM
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Absolutely it is. What makes it different is both the lies utilised in the run up to brexit (remainers warning about having to leave the single market whilst leavers insisted we could keep our existing access) and the vicious attacks and forewarnings placed upon anyone who dare speak out against it - from both politicians and media.

Witness the Mail and their "Enemies of the People' headline - aimed at judges daring to do their job.
a) This is very reminiscent of all the claims we been getting of extreme weather due to Global Warming () when it's just within the normal variations.

b) Unaccountable judges daring to put their personal politics before the law of the land are not entitled to a free ride. I know the Hacked Toffs tendency would like to pretend this is North Korea, as far as censorship goes, but we still have a little bit of free speech available, and the newspaper will continue to exercise this right whilst they can.
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Old 17.02.2017, 04:17 PM
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It's funny how every climate change denier seems to be for Brexit.

People can draw from what that what they want....
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Old 17.02.2017, 05:16 PM
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b) Unaccountable judges daring to put their personal politics before the law of the land are not entitled to a free ride. I know the Hacked Toffs tendency would like to pretend this is North Korea, as far as censorship goes, but we still have a little bit of free speech available, and the newspaper will continue to exercise this right whilst they can.
Damn those unaccountable judges, upholding all those...laws and stuff, and making decisions based on facts and evidence and all that gubbins. How dare they! ENEMIES OF THE PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!

(Well, enemies of about a third of the people. But that's enough, I tell you !)
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Old 17.02.2017, 06:35 PM
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Damn those unaccountable judges, upholding all those...laws and stuff, and making decisions based on facts and evidence and all that gubbins. How dare they! ENEMIES OF THE PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!

(Well, enemies of about a third of the people. But that's enough, I tell you !)
If only those unaccountable judges would make decisions based on facts, like the actual value of the cosmological constant, there would be no problems. But they will insist on making decisions based on opinions, and that's where the wheels come off, as there are other opinions available, even within the ranks of the judiciary.

Out in the wider world, there are evidently people like yourself around, who crave interesting times. But sometimes, the dragons are just windmills. But if you've not been around long enuf to know what a windmill looks like close up, mistakes can be made.
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Old 17.02.2017, 07:20 PM
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I actually feel a teeny bit sorry for the uber-rich; at least some of them I do. I remember watching a program with Micky Flanagan riding around France on a pushbike and he ends up in Monte Carlo, having lunch with David Coulthard. As you do.

Micky comments that there's not much laughter in the cafe, no sounds of enjoyment from the ultra-elite clientele. DC promptly tells him that too many people in Monaco are actually miserable, because though they have a few million in the bank, the fella on the next table has a few billion. So they're glum.

Imagine having all that money and still being miserable because you actually believe that there's a magical sum of cash that will miraculously ensure happiness.
There's something incredibly upsetting about that. Not least because someone can make such an enormous amount of cash despite being so incredibly naive and immature.
I once saw a thing on TV where a gull-winged silver Mercedes supercar pulled up outside the casino in Monte Carlo. The gull-winged drivers side door swooshed up, and out got David Coulthard, in full Highland dress, wearing RayBan shades... he walked round to the passengers side, the door swooshed up, and he reached in to take the hand of a gorgeous blonde babe wearing a skin-tight black cocktail dress, and the two of them disappeared into the casino. I immediately thought.... hah! It'll be bloody miserable in the cafes you frequent! My local Starbucks is cheery!.....

Erm, no, I didn't. I actually thought.... you jammy bast*ard!
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Old 17.02.2017, 09:07 PM
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That press conference was really something.
And I don't mean that as a compliment. That man has literally no idea what he's doing. I reckon I could comfortably name a dozen NFLUK members who would be better presidents than Donald Trump.
Would any of that 20 be good folk who supported the leave campaign?
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Old 17.02.2017, 09:37 PM
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Would any of that 20 be good folk who supported the leave campaign?
No, I reckon we have people from all areas of the political compass who would be happy to hold a press conference that didn't include 'alternative facts' that can be disproven with a 2minute google search.
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Old 17.02.2017, 10:01 PM
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Did have to laugh when I saw Fox news being accused of being fake news by Trump supporters on twitter today, they're just going to be left with Breitbart at this rate.
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