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DeanMoriarty
21.02.2010, 05:59 PM
Whatcha think?

Unrestricted FAs

11 Mark Brunell QB
-- Dan Campbell TE
71 Kendrick Clancy DT
80 Darnell Dinkins TE
55 Scott Fujita OLB
57 Jason Kyle LS
60 Nick Leckey C
83 Billy Miller TE
31 Pierson Prioleau SS
42 Darren Sharper FS
96 Paul Spicer DE

Restricted FAs

92 Remi Ayodele DT
21 Mike Bell RB
70 Jammal Brown OT
74 Jermon Bushrod OT
97 Jeff Charleston DE
36 Kyle Eckel FB
73 Jahri Evans G
69 Anthony Hargrove DT
41 Roman Harper SS
50 Marvin Mitchell ILB
16 Lance Moore WR
39 Chris Reis SS
15 Courtney Roby WR
64 Zach Strief OT
85 David Thomas TE/FB
23 Pierre Thomas RB
24 Leigh Torrence CB
28 Usama Young FS

JonnyEvans
22.02.2010, 12:14 PM
Whatcha think?

Unrestricted FAs

11 Mark Brunell QB - He's been talking bout retiring.
-- Dan Campbell TE - No real need to keep
71 Kendrick Clancy DT - Played well at times, no real need to let him go
80 Darnell Dinkins TE - backup, no real need to keep, prob look for TE in draft
55 Scott Fujita OLB - Keep - gettin older but can still make plays, more backup next season
57 Jason Kyle LS - No real need to keep
60 Nick Leckey C - No real need to keep
83 Billy Miller TE - I like Billy but he needs to stay healthy, prob let him go?? not sure tho.
31 Pierson Prioleau SS - No real need to keep
42 Darren Sharper FS - Talk of franchise tag, prefer to sign to a 2 year deal
96 Paul Spicer DE - No real need to keep

Restricted FAs

92 Remi Ayodele DT - Make a few plays, may as well keep him
21 Mike Bell RB - Keep him
70 Jammal Brown OT - Look to trade for 2nd round pick or package and move up in 1st
74 Jermon Bushrod OT - Keep him, needs to work on preventing being bull rushed tho
97 Jeff Charleston DE - Good on special teams, could keep him
36 Kyle Eckel FB - No real comment here, Heath Evans is our man for FB so no real need.
73 Jahri Evans G - SIGN HIM UP!
69 Anthony Hargrove DT - Great story, disruptive, gotta keep him to backup Sed Ellis.
41 Roman Harper SS - Played well this year, can still improve, definitley keep
50 Marvin Mitchell ILB - Backup no real need to keep.
16 Lance Moore WR - Sign to a 2nd round tender, possibly trade with Arrington coming through.
39 Chris Reis SS - Good special teams, locals love him, keep.
15 Courtney Roby WR - Keep - made some key plays on KR
64 Zach Strief OT - Keep, good backup
85 David Thomas TE/FB - KEEP! Played very well at times.
23 Pierre Thomas RB - Keep, love Pierre, dude can shed tackles for fun!
24 Leigh Torrence CB - No major need to keep
28 Usama Young FS - No more lining him up at CB, keep as backup!

Most pressing off season needs in this order DT, OLB, OLB, DE.

However, based on looking at draft prospects, unless we trade up to take one of the bigger name DT's that might fall into the teens, we'll stay put at 32 and take an OLB first like Weatherspoon or Bowman.

We don't need a lot to make this time the hot favourite to go back and repeat. Stopping the run better and being a little quicker in coverage with our LB's is all we really need to do and we'll be an even better team than this year. Keeping an eye out for Adrian Arrington on offense next season too!

WHO DAT!

WhoDatSay
22.02.2010, 06:10 PM
Unrestricted FAs

11 Mark Brunell QB - If he's up for staying you keep him.
-- Dan Campbell TE - Got enough TE's now.
71 Kendrick Clancy DT - Keep. Need some size on the line.
80 Darnell Dinkins TE - Good blocking TE - Keep.
55 Scott Fujita OLB - Definitely Keep - as a starter as well. Best run stopping LB we have.
57 Jason Kyle LS - Keep - you don't change your long snapper.
60 Nick Leckey C - Keep - Good back up at C.
83 Billy Miller TE - Definitely Keep.
31 Pierson Prioleau SS - Not bothered. Greg Williams likes him so I'd imagine he'd stay.
42 Darren Sharper FS - Get him another year.
96 Paul Spicer DE - Was only a roster fiiller - He'll be cut.

Restricted FAs

92 Remi Ayodele DT - Don't rate him at all. I'd cut.
21 Mike Bell RB - I'd take a draft pick for him. Not really bothered though. He's a good bruising runner but not essential.
70 Jammal Brown OT - Keep for sure.
74 Jermon Bushrod OT - Keep.
97 Jeff Charleston DE - Not a fan at all. Take what you can get.
36 Kyle Eckel FB - Don't need.
73 Jahri Evans G - Keep.
69 Anthony Hargrove DT - Poor against the run, don't rate him. Like his story and can make big plays. But if we get better players at DT he's gone.
41 Roman Harper SS - Definitely keep.
50 Marvin Mitchell ILB - Special teams regular - gotta keep him.
16 Lance Moore WR - Keep for sure. Adrian Arrington has got a long way to go before he proves he's roster worthy, let along displacing Lance Moore.
39 Chris Reis SS - Speical teams standout. Keep.
15 Courtney Roby WR - Good kick returner. If we've got space he stays.
64 Zach Strief OT - Keep.
85 David Thomas TE/FB - Not bothered. Prefer Billy Miller but Davey Thomas made some plays as well last year.
23 Pierre Thomas RB - Keep.
24 Leigh Torrence CB - Knows the system, not a great corner though. Not bothered.
28 Usama Young FS - Good guy. Keep.

As the other guy says, definitely looking at DT in the draft and maybe some depth at Outside Linebacker as well.

Players like Hargrove, Ayodele, Pressley... they're not good enough to play Defensive Tackle in this league as starters. We missed Clancy last season, but even he isn't great. We need a good sized DT lining up alongside Sedrick Ellis. I reckon we trade for one or pick one up in free agency, as the only ones worth having in the draft are top 15 locks.

MarkC07
22.02.2010, 06:28 PM
I'd keep David Thomas before Billy Miller tbh, better blocker a lot younger and has great hands.

I wouldn't be surprised to see us trade one of Jammal Brown/Jermon Bushrod. Jammal Brown may have the credentials but he wasn't great last year even though he did make the pro bowl and there didn't seem to be a huge drop off with Bushrod this year.

Don't get me wrong I think Brown is a better tackle but I wouldn't be too depressed to see him go if we got good value for him.

coatsn05
22.02.2010, 08:36 PM
"Players like Hargrove, Ayodele, Pressley... they're not good enough to play Defensive Tackle in this league as starters. We missed Clancy last season, but even he isn't great."

I agree another good DT would really boost our pass rush and run defence but I think Hargrove still has something to give. Clancy was indeed missed but I agree that we should look for a strong DT in the offseason.

WhoDatSay
22.02.2010, 09:52 PM
I'd keep David Thomas before Billy Miller tbh, better blocker a lot younger and has great hands.

I wouldn't be surprised to see us trade one of Jammal Brown/Jermon Bushrod. Jammal Brown may have the credentials but he wasn't great last year even though he did make the pro bowl and there didn't seem to be a huge drop off with Bushrod this year.

Don't get me wrong I think Brown is a better tackle but I wouldn't be too depressed to see him go if we got good value for him.

I'd say Billy Miller is a lot more polished as a tight end and has better hands but there you go. He also loves New Orleans and I think it would be harsh to cut him just because he was out one season. Obviously age might come into it, but still think it'd be a shame to lose a player like Miller. He brings a lot to the locker room by all accounts. There's no reason why we can't keep both to be honest, though.

For me you keep both tackles simply because both are very good (Brown is definitely still the starter though as far as I'm concerned - saying he 'wasn't great' is 2009 is pretty harsh in my opinion - I'd say he's been the standout member of our O-Line for a good couple of seasons before the injury). There's no point cutting one just so another team can have them start. There's no reason why we can't afford both so we should keep them. It's a great option to have. O-Line depth shouldn't be given up for a 2nd round pick or whatever.

MarkC07
22.02.2010, 10:03 PM
I don't think not great is harsh tbh it's not like I'm saying he was terrible, he ranked out at about the 50th best tackle on PFF last year. I wouldn't call him the standout player, Jahri Evans has probably performed better then him over the past few seasons.

WhoDatSay
22.02.2010, 11:39 PM
I don't think not great is harsh tbh it's not like I'm saying he was terrible, he ranked out at about the 50th best tackle on PFF last year. I wouldn't call him the standout player, Jahri Evans has probably performed better then him over the past few seasons.

Yeah my post was meant to say in 2008 as obviously he didn't play 2009... (But I think you understood it like that anyway!)

I mean I'm not sure what PFF is, but 50th ranked tackle is absolute garbage! That's saying he wouldn't be a starting tackle at 25 teams. Scandalous. He's one of the best in the league in my opinion.

Jahri has been very good as well, although it's hard to compare the work of a guard and tackle I'd say they've both been good over the last few years, with Jahri having his best year by far in 2009 I'd say.

Jammal Brown is money in my opinion. You simply don't give up a tackle like that. The only thing I can fault him on is the fact sometimes he maintains contact a bit too long and gets called for holding, but I'd sooner have that than someone getting to Drew Brees.

Khaled
23.02.2010, 12:57 AM
Yeah my post was meant to say in 2008 as obviously he didn't play 2009... (But I think you understood it like that anyway!)

I mean I'm not sure what PFF is, but 50th ranked tackle is absolute garbage! That's saying he wouldn't be a starting tackle at 25 teams. Scandalous. He's one of the best in the league in my opinion.

Jahri has been very good as well, although it's hard to compare the work of a guard and tackle I'd say they've both been good over the last few years, with Jahri having his best year by far in 2009 I'd say.

Jammal Brown is money in my opinion. You simply don't give up a tackle like that. The only thing I can fault him on is the fact sometimes he maintains contact a bit too long and gets called for holding, but I'd sooner have that than someone getting to Drew Brees.

This is what I don't get sometimes. Its widely considered that Jermon Bushrod had a pretty poor season, that he was a bit of a liability. Yet he gave up less pressure than Jammal Brown did last year.

Brown goes to the Pro Bowl and was a first round pick while Brees doesnt take a lot of sacks so people crown him a good tackle. He's not. He's not worth the money and it should be telling that the Saints were able to replace him with a player who may have ended up being the worst player on the team and there was no drop off whatsoever in what Bushrod did in 09 compared to what Brown did in 08.

Brown is simply overrated imo and if it wasnt for having Brees at QB he'd have been utterly exposed in 2008.

WhoDatSay
23.02.2010, 01:39 AM
This is what I don't get sometimes. Its widely considered that Jermon Bushrod had a pretty poor season, that he was a bit of a liability. Yet he gave up less pressure than Jammal Brown did last year.

Brown goes to the Pro Bowl and was a first round pick while Brees doesnt take a lot of sacks so people crown him a good tackle. He's not. He's not worth the money and it should be telling that the Saints were able to replace him with a player who may have ended up being the worst player on the team and there was no drop off whatsoever in what Bushrod did in 09 compared to what Brown did in 08.

Brown is simply overrated imo and if it wasnt for having Brees at QB he'd have been utterly exposed in 2008.

The way Brown played in 2006 proves that he's a better player than Jermon Bushrod will ever be.

How much do you watch the Saints play out of interest? Being a Falcons fan? (Full games, not highlights) Brown probably didn't deserve the pro-bowl in 2008, but who cares? He's still a hell of a tackle.

And I haven't heard anyone saying Bushrod had a poor season and was a liability that actually watches every Saints game. You seem to contradict yourself by saying he was a liability and then say there was no drop off between him and Jammal Brown (who going into the season was regarded our best Tackle by far). I'd say there was a bit of a drop off, especially when trying to run behind left tackle. But, after a shaky star Bushrod had a pretty good season.

It's impossible to judge tackles by watching highlights/two games a season. (If for some reason you watch every Saints game in their entirety then fair enough, you're entitled to your opinion, but otherwise you're making some pretty sweeping statements)

I wouldn't start trying to analyse/slate your tackles, I don't even know who they are.