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my_friend_goo
13.12.2010, 06:10 PM
Ok, this is the first of two threads where you tell Skins fans about the silver linings you've seen this season. Then we can comment on them. I'm going to start the ball rolling:

Ryan Torrain - has shown to me he is a tough runner, capable of picking up the yards the other backs can't. Too many times last night he looked like he was going to be stuffed in the backfield thanks to the blocking, only to break free and make a healthy gain. He's had the same O-line, but significantly better production than the other backs this season. However, he can be contained to stop the long TD run and his injury problems are a concern. With the support of better run blocking that will enable a faster back to get through the first few yards of a play untouched, he will make one half of an effective dual back setup.

Brandon Banks - he's tiny, but boy can he go. He may never contribute much to the offense, but he makes it happen in the return game. Sure, teams are avoiding him as much as possible, but you can only avoid a specialist for so long - teams are still kicking to Devin Hester, after all.

Your turn. There are some positives out there!

wuds100
15.12.2010, 03:19 PM
Positives for me include the two mentioned and McNabb,
I understand a lot of people dont rate him but I think he will
be a success when he has the weapons to play with and the
more of a understanding of the system.

my_friend_goo
15.12.2010, 03:56 PM
I still think he will drive easy passes into the ground, but I do think that in the same scenario with the same people surrounding him, he would outperform Jason Campbell. A bit more protection will probably go some way to helping him. I'm not sold on him yet, but we could definitely do worse.

wuds100
15.12.2010, 04:20 PM
I still think he will drive easy passes into the ground, but I do think that in the same scenario with the same people surrounding him, he would outperform Jason Campbell. A bit more protection will probably go some way to helping him. I'm not sold on him yet, but we could definitely do worse.

The daisy cutters he throws are frustrating but I think he is the type
to lead us down the field for game winning drives or dare I say it game winning FGs,
Though he was poor on sunday one shocking pass behind a wide open Cooley
that would have set up 1st and goal stood out, I think he is playing at a low ebb
and cuts a figure of someone who has no confidence in a team going nowhere fast.

warriorsq
15.12.2010, 06:28 PM
One day Dan Snyder will kick the bucket and we may get a decent owner...sorry thats the best i can do

my_friend_goo
15.12.2010, 07:41 PM
One day Dan Snyder will kick the bucket and we may get a decent owner...sorry thats the best i can do

Probably going to take a looooong time yet.

I think he did the right thing by getting Shanahan and Allen in and I do believe that he has taken a back seat and am hoping it stays that way. So far, his best success has come from established names with good NFL pedigree - Schottenheimer and Gibbs. Granted, these were by no means excellent seasons, but superior to the efforts of Spurrier and Zorn and he realises this. I would perhaps have preferred a GM who has worked in a perennially successful franchise - either a straight up take like Pioli or a deputy to somebody who has been immersed in the right culture, but Dan has been stung on adventurous choices in the past. Until Shanahan has clearly succeeded or failed to turn this franchise around, I am being more reserved on my judgment of him and Bruce and I will lay off Snyder until such a time as he may show me that he hasn't changed after all.

Ledders
16.12.2010, 12:53 PM
I am worried about offensive weapons. Some of the guys have come in and down pretty well but really who they hell are they? How long will Moss and Cooley conintue for us at a good level. I like Mcnabb, I don't think we have enough targets or playmakers.

Defensive looks like they are capable of giving up anything at any time as well.

I want to get excited about Sunday and enjoy watching my team play a league game in such a short season but I hate the "looking to next year" feel about the it all.

Gman84
01.01.2011, 03:02 AM
- Players are accountable and will be challenged for their starting spots. All too often players have been allowed to keep playing when their form has indicated otherwise.
- A fair bit of young talent on offense looks like it could be the base for the future: Ryan Torrain, Anthony Armstrong, Brandon Banks, Trent Williams, Will Montgomery, Darrell Young.
- A few flashes for shorter periods on defense: Adam Carriker, Anthony Bryant, Rob Jackson, Kevin Barnes.
- Hopefully, the whole Haynesworth episode, which seemed to start the moment he signed will be over shortly after the season finishes.
- Despite struggles, you can see the running game magic of the Shanahan's is there, just not as consistent as we'd like.
- Whilst results haven't been what we'd all like and their have been a couple of collapses (Eagles and Giant losses) there has been a good bit of fight and competitive spirit shown.
- Not compounding the McNabb "mistake": D-Mc did not play well bar two games this season, instead of sticking with something they don't believe can work but have given up a pick for so will try and make it work they made the change. That's a tough call but it's the right call. Too often this franchise will try for two or three years to make a mistake work and still fail.


This team was a complete mess when the new regime came in, age everywhere and ok, they added some more but they allowed the youth to overtake if the veteran didn't perform and we have seen signs of some good GM moves. Examples been despite the risk in signing Jamaal Brown who only had a year of his contract left they managed to recoup a pick from that trade and the extension they signed McNabb to allows them the whole off-season to get him traded before they have to pay out his bonus.

my_friend_goo
01.01.2011, 06:42 PM
Good to have you back, Gman84. I've missed your insights this season.

Gman84
01.01.2011, 11:53 PM
Been a real struggle for time this season.

15eastaf
02.01.2011, 05:15 PM
It's being hard but there is one big plus to take away from this year. We got a high draft pick. We better not waste it.

johnholywood
03.01.2011, 12:48 AM
I think we pick 9th if Seattle win tonight? Not a bad place to be in. Hopefully someone will get hot in the run up to the draft (newton?) and we can drop down a few spots for extra picks.

And we get to play Carolina next year along with a 4th place schedule.

On the players we currently have front, Carriker seems to have finished the season quite strongly.

Need to sort out the contracts of Rogers/Moss/Brown (and there are probably others), and look at some of the older guys who probably need to be let go - Portis?

Whilst we havent looked great in a couple of matches (Eagles at home and Giants away), we seem to be able to play to the level of the opposition whether they are poor or pretty good. I dont think thats a good habit, but it keeps things interesting.

However our list of needs is pretty lengthy! Pass rusher to help out Orakpo, Safety, younger impact LBs, OL, WR depth and of course a decision on QB.

As long as there is a season of course...........

15eastaf
03.01.2011, 08:39 AM
Can't dissagree with what you said, Portis is getting old (in sports terms) and with torain in we could probably get rid of him to try and save some money under the salery cap. Mc Nabb should stay, we have other things to sort out besides QB and we won't get a player much better than him, i think we need to draft a reciever and make sure moss stays. The O line has to improve otherwise next seasons just going to go the same way as this one. Our d has started to improve but we could do with signing a couple of guys there. I must admit i'm not sure about renewing Rodger's contract. We neeed a new kicker.
The base is there for us to start winning more but we need to do something to start winning those close games.

santana89
03.01.2011, 01:17 PM
I'd say the foundations are there. Shanahan has taken some stick, some of which is deserved but he has a method and it may take a while to fall into place. We run the ball well even with a scratchy O-line (we desperately need a new Centre) and Torain has to take a lot of credit, he's been much, much better than I ever hoped. McNabb has been decent and I don't see the point in getting rid yet, the only ready QB in the draft will be long gone by the time we pick.

On the flip side, pass defense is an abortion and I personally think Hall is a massive weak link. If he's not intercepting the ball, we might as well cover the receiver with a traffic cone. The fact we've gone to a 3-4 isn't helping up front, we don't have a good enough NT and Orakpo's strengths are diluted at OLB. Until we have the personnel, a lot more 4-3 formations should be used.

JD for breakfast
03.01.2011, 03:09 PM
We pick at 10. There should be at least one decent QB still there for us to take, although I've not really looked into this year's draft class. After that just take depth for both lines. D-line especially if we're sticking with the 3-4 next year. Too many square pegs in round holes in there and it's cost us big time in the run game

Plus with the CBA situation still unresolved it looks like there'll plenty of UFA's available, so Danny boy's willingness to splash the cash might be an advantage for a change this off-season, as long as it's done sensibly

15eastaf
03.01.2011, 08:18 PM
We can't afford to waste a pick on a QB, better go for a recever in my view. I'm not sure if we get a second or third round pick this year, i think there was something in the Mc Nabb contract where the eagles get it.

Gman84
03.01.2011, 08:43 PM
We can't afford to waste a pick on a QB, better go for a recever in my view. I'm not sure if we get a second or third round pick this year, i think there was something in the Mc Nabb contract where the eagles get it.

So who do you suggest we get at QB because McNabb isn't staying and even myself, who can handle Rex as the starter in 2011 doesn't want to bet the house on him. You must always take a QB if it's a need and you have a shot at a guy you like and it is a need as far as I'm concerned.

I think our receiver situation is ok, it could use an upgrade but not sure if I'd go for a rookie when we have some youth (Armstrong, Austin, Banks), if Moss can come back it might be worth looking at a veteran option in free agency.

Draft picks wise (I think) we have a 1st, 2nd, two 5th's, a 6th and two 7th's. If we could add a couple of mid-rounders for Haynesworth and McNabb I'd be delighted.

Draft wise, I'd like a QB, 2 OL, 2 DL, a runner and maybe two LB's.

JD for breakfast
03.01.2011, 11:35 PM
We can't afford to waste a pick on a QB, better go for a recever in my view. I'm not sure if we get a second or third round pick this year, i think there was something in the Mc Nabb contract where the eagles get it.

Why would picking a QB at 10 be a waste? I suppose it depends on who is available there but I don't see the point of taking a reciever in the first round if we've got no-one to throw it to him. Personally I don't see Grossman being a long-term solution for us. Yes he took the Bears to a Super Bowl but that was mainly on the back of dominant D that allowed them to win games without scoring heavily

my_friend_goo
04.01.2011, 01:14 PM
Draft wise, I'd like a QB, 2 OL, 2 DL, a runner and maybe two LB's.

Which wouldn't be out of the realms of possibilty if we had a 3rd and a 4th, with some of those players developing into starters by their second season. Which is why Shanahan will have to use free agency. Smartly.

Shanahan is applying the "do what I want in my schemes and you'll play" approach to head coaching over the "these are the players I've got, I'll have to adapt my scheme to their strengths" approach. There is no better or worse strategy, coaches have had success applying both. Neither will work without a few key players on both sides of the ball and a scheme-suitable franchise quarterback is one of those pieces. I suspect he'll fail without and there currently isn't one on this team, nor is there likely to be in free agency.

wuds100
04.01.2011, 01:54 PM
We pick at 10. There should be at least one decent QB still there for us to take, although I've not really looked into this year's draft class. After that just take depth for both lines. D-line especially if we're sticking with the 3-4 next year. Too many square pegs in round holes in there and it's cost us big time in the run game

Plus with the CBA situation still unresolved it looks like there'll plenty of UFA's available, so Danny boy's willingness to splash the cash might be an advantage for a change this off-season, as long as it's done sensibly

The rumour is that Shanahan is a fan of Jake Locker who might drop to the 2nd round,
There are a few decent FAs likely to hit the market like Vincent Jackson and Logan Mankins
who would address needs though we are that far back it might be wiser just to pass on
any big moves this year.

JD for breakfast
04.01.2011, 04:20 PM
The rumour is that Shanahan is a fan of Jake Locker who might drop to the 2nd round,
There are a few decent FAs likely to hit the market like Vincent Jackson and Logan Mankins
who would address needs though we are that far back it might be wiser just to pass on
any big moves this year.

I wouldn't say we're that far away. We just seemed to collapse when it came to the crunch more often than not. We lost 6 games by 4 points or less this year. Turn just half of those around and we're 9-7 and everything looks a lot more positive after a winning season. There are lots of places were we can and must improve but I think we've seen a progression from the mess that was left over after Jim Zorn's tenure

my_friend_goo
04.01.2011, 04:50 PM
The Skins have been "on the brink" so often, that I almost don't believe that any more. their record could have been much better, but it could have been much worse. I'd like to see a phasing in of more youth and more purging of past-their-prime vets in this off-season, but don't see that as opposition to bringing in sensible veteran acquisitions that will fit in nicely with the schemes (preferably anyone under 30). The whole "blow it up" idea that some were hoping for last season only gets you so far - you still have to replace those players you release and there's little point in doing it if you're only matching like for like.

JD for breakfast
04.01.2011, 04:57 PM
Well we have seen a few of the younger guys put their hands up for the future. The likes of Ryan Torain, Anthony Armstrong, Brandon Banks and Will Montgomery among others look to have put themselves in the frame for roster spots for next year after having to play the waiting game. Torain especially looks like a genuine talent as long as he can stay healthy. The roster we have isn't completely devoid of talented young players

gristy101
04.01.2011, 05:50 PM
whats people's views on the Haynesworth and McNabb situations: do you think they should go or stay

Gman84
04.01.2011, 08:03 PM
Both need to go, too much drama surrounds them both. I just hope we can recoup a couple of draft picks for them.

santana89
04.01.2011, 08:07 PM
Both got to go. I'd rather McNabb didn't but we're already knee-deep in that one so I doubt there'll be any going back.

JD for breakfast
04.01.2011, 08:08 PM
Motion carried. Show them both the door. Both past their best and both can do as much harm as good, especially Haynesworth. Too much water under the bridge now so cut your losses with both of them and build for the future

Dee56
06.01.2011, 03:51 PM
I can't see McNabb or Haynesworth returning next year.

Macca won't be back because he's probably feels that he's not been treated well by Shannahan. & Haynesworth will be out because he's a GIT! The problem with McNabb leaving town, is that does anybody really feel Rex Grossman is the long term answer to our QB woes..

It's been another disappointing year in DC.
On offence we've been erratic at best. The defence gave up far too many yards, big plays & points. Particularly early in games. Too often the opposition we're out of sight before the game had barely started. Putting our erratic offence under far too much pressure trying to play catch up. As for special teams... The less said about that, the better. Time for a new kicker.. Nuff said!

On the brighter side.
I felt the o-line was much improved from last year. The emergence of Ryan Torain & Anthoney Armstrong gives some hope for the future.
On defence, Orakpo, Landry & Hall were excellent at times. The 3-4 system is going to need the Skins front office to go out & find the right personnel to run it.

All in all, i felt the team was improved from last term. But not by very much..

Grade... C

Riggo
08.01.2011, 08:03 PM
I think the positive is that Shanny showed he'll cut anybody that isn't producing and play anybody is.

The old regime not only would have signed but also kept Larry Johnson and Willie Parker.

Boltonian
09.01.2011, 12:06 PM
Hi Riggo,

A lot of Skins fans over your side of the pond are saying that if there is a
new CBA the Redskins could be as much as $50m under the cap, is this
true, i hope so because there are some good young G's, C's, and NT's
available in FA.