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monta8mixes
15.01.2012, 10:54 PM
like in this Giants and packers game what does Aaron Rodgers mean when he says '3 19' before the snap?

vann_mcelroy
15.01.2012, 11:42 PM
They are snap counts .

Basially its so his own offense know when to move or go in motion etc and the defense doesnt

Lastminuteman
16.01.2012, 12:11 AM
They're coded messages and can mean a variety of things, such as:
- a change to the play that was called in the huddle (aka an "audible" play)
- instructions for blocking assignments after seeing the defense's alignment
- a call for a planned formation shift or to put a receiver in motion
- a word sequence alerting the team that they're about to snap the ball
- gibberish to mislead the defense so they can't pick out the real code

richardhosker
16.01.2012, 12:12 AM
I wish i new exactly what it means, but I understand the following is true:

Usually they come to the line, the QB calls out the Mike linebacker (doesn't have to be a linebacker) which then tells the linemen what the protection is. Then in the so called 'cadence' you hear something like "Green 19, Green 19 set hut!" and the ball is snapped. Green is the live colour which means the ball will be snapped on the pre-determined signal (in this case hut).

If the QB wants to try and draw the defense off-side they go on a hard count.You might hear "Blue 82, Blue 82 Set Hut! (Pause) Hut Hut" (pause) "Green 19 Green 19, set hut". In this case the live colour is use to tell the offense this is not when i want to hike the ball. Obviously you have to change the live colour if you are to do this quite often. Favre was good at the hard count.

Live colours are often used to fake audibles to confuse the defense. I'm sure Peyton Manning dummy audibles 40% of the time.

Some times you'll hear: "Green 19 Green 19 43 set hut". The 43 is the defensive front, and there many differnt numbers that are attributed to differnt fronts depending where the linemen and backers line up.

Search West Coast Offense Playbook and you'll find the basics described.

The Giants use Omaha set when they want to hike the ball quickly. Tom Brady appears to use Alpha to do the same.

Hope this helps.

If any of this is inaccurate I welcome corrections.

jrt55555
16.01.2012, 01:01 AM
I wish i new exactly what it means, but I understand the following is true:

Usually they come to the line, the QB calls out the Mike linebacker (doesn't have to be a linebacker) which then tells the linemen what the protection is. Then in the so called 'cadence' you hear something like "Green 19, Green 19 set hut!" and the ball is snapped. Green is the live colour which means the ball will be snapped on the pre-determined signal (in this case hut).

If the QB wants to try and draw the defense off-side they go on a hard count.You might hear "Blue 82, Blue 82 Set Hut! (Pause) Hut Hut" (pause) "Green 19 Green 19, set hut". In this case the live colour is use to tell the offense this is not when i want to hike the ball. Obviously you have to change the live colour if you are to do this quite often. Favre was good at the hard count.

Live colours are often used to fake audibles to confuse the defense. I'm sure Peyton Manning dummy audibles 40% of the time.

Some times you'll hear: "Green 19 Green 19 43 set hut". The 43 is the defensive front, and there many differnt numbers that are attributed to differnt fronts depending where the linemen and backers line up.

Search West Coast Offense Playbook and you'll find the basics described.

The Giants use Omaha set when they want to hike the ball quickly. Tom Brady appears to use Alpha to do the same.

Hope this helps.

If any of this is inaccurate I welcome corrections.

Right, the Omaha/Alpha call seems to mean 'forget what I said in the huddle, we're running out of playclicok so go on my next "hike"'!

Deal or No Deal
16.01.2012, 01:23 AM
Eli is so predicable in his snap counts, I always say "omaha set" in my head and I'm usually spot on :o and don't try to listen to Matt Ryan, he's gone too far naming ever colour in the rainbow and talking about everything under the sun


He's not quite Peyton Manning yet though...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZI076IBPFY&feature=related

jrt55555
16.01.2012, 10:54 AM
Eli is so predicable in his snap counts, I always say "omaha set" in my head and I'm usually spot on :o and don't try to listen to Matt Ryan, he's gone too far naming ever colour in the rainbow and talking about everything under the sun


He's not quite Peyton Manning yet though...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZI076IBPFY&feature=related

I don't even need to click that link to know which video it is :D

"Chocolate!"

Bobbynogz
16.01.2012, 02:42 PM
I don't even need to click that link to know which video it is :D

"Chocolate!"

"Sally buffalo! Apple apple! HUT!"

Lmao, brilliant video.

Chris_Marks
16.01.2012, 04:16 PM
Eli is so predicable in his snap counts, I always say "omaha set" in my head and I'm usually spot on :o and don't try to listen to Matt Ryan, he's gone too far naming ever colour in the rainbow and talking about everything under the sun

The commentators even called it out on a Giants game a few weeks ago - having apologised for doing so first.

Of course, the Giants will have a few months during the off season to teach Eli the name of another US state... :D

Anyway, back to the OP - some of the audibles are codes for certain plays, usually the QB's seen something that he can take advantage of, or sees a blitz coming, so will audible to another play that'll stand a better chance of succeeding. Others are just meaningless gibberish, or simply to confirm what the play was - or actually designate it if they're going no huddle.

boomer07uk
16.01.2012, 08:38 PM
Yeah you'll also hear "Alert Alert" at times, particularly from Eli. Watch for a blitz on plays like that, he's most often right.

Magnitude
17.01.2012, 03:02 AM
"Kill" is another easy one. QB's often call two plays in the huddle; a pass and a run, or two types of run. 'Kill' means it's not the first but the second

Deal or No Deal
17.01.2012, 03:24 AM
you may also hear the QB say, for example: "50 is the MIKE" which refers to number 50 of the defense being the middle linebacker, you will occasional hear "SAM" which is the strong-side linebacker and "WILL" which is the weak-side linebacker. You'll hear more of the "MIKE" because the middle linebacker is the player who will call the plays on defense and is most likely to blitz (someone will probably add more but that's pretty much the gist of it).

You would of heard it a lot if you watched the Giants @ Packers game, Eli says it on nearly every down

Bean49
17.01.2012, 10:16 AM
As others have said the QB will point out the Mike LB which means if that guy blitzes then it's the line's responsibility to pick him up.

Another thing the QB might do is point at a second LB or DB. When he does that he's indicating to the receivers that he thinks that guy is coming too and if that guy does go the receiver then know to run a hot route into the space he's vacated and expect the ball quickly. If the guy does not come then the receiver runs his normal route.

Of course all of this means nothing when you watch Peyton Manning play, he'll stand back there for 15-20 seconds just pointing and talking jibberish and most of it is for the defence so they have no clue what's real and what isn't. If the D can sniff out the QBs counts and calls (like Eli's "Omaha, Omaha") then the O-line is as good as toast. Usually :D

richardhosker
17.01.2012, 07:14 PM
People have said that Eli's "Omaha set" is obvious. But if your inside the 2 minute warning, the opposing team has called all it's time outs, and it's 3rd and 3 and all you need is a first down to ice the game, if you call in the huddle "Omaha set is a dummy, the live snap count is Idaho set", the defense might jump on Omaha set thinking its the real snap count, be off-side, it'll be game over.

Sometimes I'm sure teams set up these tendencies to then go againts them for this one big play when they feel they really need it.

YorkshireBucs
24.01.2012, 07:55 AM
Sorry to hi-jack, when a QB takes a step back with one of his feet before the snap, is this just to send a man in motion or can it mean a number of things ?

Duper85
24.01.2012, 08:59 AM
Sorry to hi-jack, when a QB takes a step back with one of his feet before the snap, is this just to send a man in motion or can it mean a number of things ?
It is often used to send a motion guy.

QBs in the shotgun also often stamp one foot to replace the spoken snap count if the crowd is loud, especially away teams.

Beagle270
24.01.2012, 11:42 AM
I love it when the QB's voice suddenly becomes audible and you can hear the count. Matt Ryan has some good ones ^^

"Chevy, Detroit!"

nepalex
27.01.2012, 06:35 PM
Mostly it's the cadence that you hear a QB shouting. But as others have indicated they call audibles and change protections, identify blitzers and coverages, trigger hot routes and send guys in motion. There's also a lot of gibberish!!!!

For the offense I run at BUAFL level the cadence is in a set sequence which is designated in the huddle. Line calls are normally dealt with by the O line as it's a little too much for us QB's to handle! We have seperate audible calls that we can make if we make pre-snap reads as well as signals for hot routes. There's also seperate calls to identify blitzers and walked up linebackers etc.

Hard counts are soo much fun. If your O line don't jump! :D

mde203
28.01.2012, 03:10 PM
Even more predictable than Eli is Rodgers. 75% of Packers plays come on the second Green 18 (or whatever the call is). It's obvious to anyone watching, I'm surprised it hasn't changed in two seasons.

boomer07uk
28.01.2012, 06:29 PM
Sorry to hi-jack, when a QB takes a step back with one of his feet before the snap, is this just to send a man in motion or can it mean a number of things ?

Just watched the Bears Superbowl win and they often do that motion with Willie Gault.

The game has changed alot since then tho, cos Willie pretty much runs off the field on running downs to take the corner out of the play wheras these days the WR's will turn upfield and block, really well at times.

HolyRoller10
29.01.2012, 01:56 AM
Even more predictable than Eli is Rodgers. 75% of Packers plays come on the second Green 18 (or whatever the call is). It's obvious to anyone watching, I'm surprised it hasn't changed in two seasons.

You know what's funny? Is you want to be predictable to lull the D into jumping offsides...the D isn't supposed to assume that the snap count will be the same just because you did it 10 times before...so therefore they are always thinking the opposite...to be alert that this will be the play where the snap count is changed up...so being predictable actually doesn't hurt you as an offense as much as one would think (unless they're just pinning their ears back because your cadence as a QB is lazy)...in fact it's designed to help you by eventually lulling the D into a mistake and jumping offsides.

(I'm not saying this to you mde per se - just wanted to use your set-up quote for the purposes of the entire thread.) :)

wired84
31.01.2012, 03:16 PM
Again, sorry to hijack, but I've always wondered what they point at, at the line of scrimmage? I would assume the linebackers/safetys, but I don't get what they are trying to point out, the D will know their being pointed at and will change their game - or is this a dummy, or just, as someone else said to set assignments for blocking - the Centre often does this too??

nepalex
31.01.2012, 04:32 PM
Again, sorry to hijack, but I've always wondered what they point at, at the line of scrimmage? I would assume the linebackers/safetys, but I don't get what they are trying to point out, the D will know their being pointed at and will change their game - or is this a dummy, or just, as someone else said to set assignments for blocking - the Centre often does this too??

Most of the time it's pointing out walked up linebackers and attempting to identify the mike linebacker. It is, as you say, for blocking assignments as well. If the QB can read the blitz then he can adjust the pass protection to specifically pick up a certain defender.

Of course, sometimes it's just a dummy. It's always nice to identify a corner or safety who doesn't like being thrown at and look him off pre-snap!! :D

TheJimmyMethod
31.01.2012, 04:35 PM
On the other side of the ball, anybody know about anything about defensive audibles?

I've heard a 'kill' call used, presumably to cancel a play, e.g a blitz but wondered about any others? Seen linebackers waving their hands across their faces a few times, wondered what this meant?

CALkulon
31.01.2012, 04:48 PM
On the other side of the ball, anybody know about anything about defensive audibles?

I've heard a 'kill' call used, presumably to cancel a play, e.g a blitz but wondered about any others? Seen linebackers waving their hands across their faces a few times, wondered what this meant?

Hard to be specific without seeing the playbook, but that just means some sort of audible more than likely. Defenses tend to have a handful of gestures they can fall back on to audible given that it'll be difficult to communicate only verbally.

HolyRoller10
31.01.2012, 06:19 PM
Again, sorry to hijack, but I've always wondered what they point at, at the line of scrimmage? I would assume the linebackers/safetys, but I don't get what they are trying to point out, the D will know their being pointed at and will change their game - or is this a dummy, or just, as someone else said to set assignments for blocking - the Centre often does this too??

Calling out the linebackers is to set-up the blocking scheme. They are usually calling out the Mike to alert the backs who to block or the center telling the backs he is picking up # so and so which then gives the backs their assignment.

Here's a good concise video explaining it perfectly: http://multimedia.foxsports.com/m/video/28136180/billick-101-identifying-the-mike.htm

Watch this and the those calls you hear will make so much more sense.

wired84
01.02.2012, 09:10 AM
Thanks guys, was always something I wondered but never thought to ask till I saw this thread! :)