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gibletmc1992 14.12.2015 01:02 PM

Draft 2016
If we stay in this place in the draft order who should we be looking to for / where should we be looking to strengthen?

Boltman 15.12.2015 11:40 AM

The Draft is inconsequential if this incompetent coaching staff is still around.

UrbanLegend 17.12.2015 10:57 AM

Either line

CautiousPaul 17.12.2015 05:00 PM

Anywhere on the field, we need to improve all over.

Lonestar1963 03.03.2016 09:53 AM

Is it possible they take Elliot first to give Rivers some breathing space?

iffies 03.03.2016 10:34 AM


Originally Posted by Lonestar1963 (Post 2262938)
Is it possible they take Elliot first to give Rivers some breathing space?

The GM would be in for some serious flack taking another RB in the first after burning last years first rounder on Melvin Gordon. I don't see them passing on Ramsey.

Boltman 03.03.2016 02:55 PM

Ramsey's a good looking talent but would be a monumentally idiotic pick.

Stick money on Telesco taking him.

UrbanLegend 03.03.2016 07:35 PM


Originally Posted by Boltman (Post 2262986)
Ramsey's a good looking talent but would be a monumentally idiotic pick.

Stick money on Telesco taking him.


Oline or Dline or don't bother

Lonestar1963 04.03.2016 09:28 AM


Originally Posted by UrbanLegend (Post 2263014)

Oline or Dline or don't bother

That would be my guess, Deforest Buckner would be a fit in 3-4 but is he a top pick? He's supposed to be around 295 but doesn't look it

Boltman 04.03.2016 08:57 PM

It's easy not to look 295 when you're also 6'7".

I don't think we have a shot at Tunsil, who I'd be sorely tempted to pick if he was available at 3, Bosa isn't a fit in our base D, and none of the other DL are worth the 3rd pick, so for me it's trade down or take Buckner.

If we were to swap to a 4/3 base then I'd be all over Bosa, but he'd be a fish out of water in our scheme and our other LB's aren't suited to playing 4/3 with the exception of Te'o and Perryman who I could both see as serviceable Mikes.

We really need to dump this 1-gap scheme. It leaves our LB's horrendously exposed v's the run, and it doesn't create the 1v1 match ups required for a 3/4 to mount a successful pass rush threat. Get a proper NT on the roster and play the traditional over Center scheme or just forget it and play 4/3.

Buckner isn't the answer to the NT question, but he plays the run well enough from DE, and he'd command more attention from blockers than any of our current DE's aside from Liuget. The problem really lies with the fact that teams can double Liuget and leave the Center 1v1 with whoever we have playing NT. If Bucker also commands more blockers then the lack of a double-team requiring NT becomes less of an issue. Provided the DL is eating 4 or more blockers as a unit then it creates 1v1's on the outside and frees up our LB's. We could also look to grab a pure NT later in the draft. I think there are a few who could last until our pick at the top of the third round the DL class is so deep.

As much as I've gone on and on about our inability to protect Rivers down the years, I actually see the DL as a more pressing need than the OL. The pass protection isn't great, but it wasn't as scandalously poor as we'd seen in 2011/2012 even with the back-ups playing half the starts. The run blocking is utterly hopeless, but I think that's as much to do with the baffling and ineffectual scheme we run. We have these hulking great linemen, yet we run some sort of hybrid zone scheme with a single back setting up in Shotgun most of the time. Yet again, it begs the question what the hell are the staff thinking, as there appears to be no coherent thought or design here. The starters at LT, LG, RG are going to be coming back, so hopefully with improved health and Wisenhunt doing away with this 'god knows what it's meant to be' scheme we should see improvement.

I'm far more concerned about our defences complete inability to stand up at the L.O.S. and prevent bang average running games from having monster days against us week in week out. It's been happening for three straight seasons and I believe it's entirely down to this garbage scheme they have Pagano running. The continued intransigence is unforgivable.

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