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Smograider 27.09.2010 05:35 PM

Why do the Saints use the Fleur-de-Lys
 
This question has been bugging me for nearly 30 years now, but have had nobody to ask.

Given that this is the symbol of French Royalty, or to put it another way - the symbol of Louisiana's colonialist oppressors.

It was in fact Napoleon Bonaparte that granted the state it's freedom,This in turn lead to the American war of independence, and thus to the America we know today.

Would it not be more apt for the Saints to use the Napoleon's symbol - the Bumblebee as their emblem?

Thoughts, answers anyone?

Arathrael 28.09.2010 08:39 AM

It strikes me as a bit of a daft question to be honest.

The Saints use the fleur-de-lys because it's a symbol of New Orleans (obviously), and it's been a symbol of New Orleans from the beginning, with the French founders flying a fleur-de-lys flag.

You can argue that a city or state should have abandoned all symbols associated with their colonialist oppressors, but clearly they didn't, and not unreasonably IMO.

As for the suggestions of using Napolean's symbol - would it really make sense to drop the symbol of your founders to take the symbol of a man who sold you?

Edit: also, the fleur-de-lys looks good. That's reason enough in itself. :-)

marcseven 28.09.2010 10:18 AM

I think it's a bit harsh to say it's a daft question

Basically N.O. has no problem with its french roots. They quote french, eat french and really if your gonna connect yourself with a country, you gonna choose the regal pageantry of hundreds of years or the short and slightly awkward reign of Napoleon. It would be like choosing Roundheads over cavaliers. Bumblebee indeed!

I had a quick look at Dave Dixons book (the founder of the Saints) but he doesn't mention it.

On the Saint website it says this:
The Fleur de Lis, the emblem most closely associated with the New Orleans Saints and worn on the team's helmets, is a symbol from the Court of Louis XIV. It is a french word that stands for "flower of the lily". The Fleur de Lis is also a symbol for New Orleans, which was adopted during the French occupation of Louisiana from 1682-1762. Traditionally, it has been used to represent French royalty, and in that sense, it is said to signify perfection, light and life. Due to its' three petals, the fleur-de-lis has also been used to represent the Holy Trinity.

N.O. strongly identifies with it's french roots, in it's architecture and food, also two of the largest influxes of immigrants would have been french speaking the free Haitians and the French Canadians (Cajans). Some there even consider the US the oppressors.

Hell when other US teams want to insult us they call us French ******

Hope that goes some way to answering your question.

Laissez les bon temps rouler

Arathrael 28.09.2010 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marcseven (Post 1201103)
I think it's a bit harsh to say it's a daft question

I said a bit of a daft question. (I was thinking specifically of the bit about the bumblebee when I said it. And I stand by that!)

marcseven 28.09.2010 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arathrael (Post 1201126)
I said a bit of a daft question. (I was thinking specifically of the bit about the bumblebee when I said it. And I stand by that!)

Well I'm behind you there 100%,

Especially as now we have the Hornets!

martin3026 28.09.2010 06:40 PM

Anyone that's been to Louisiana will know that the fleur de lys is So much more than an NFL teams logo, it's on building, churches, gates, and Walls all of them hundreds of years older than the Saints.

The NFL found out to their cost last year when they attempted to stop people selling shirts with the fleur de lys and Who Dat written on them, they were laughed out of court.

DarrenSQh 30.09.2010 10:18 AM

If you go to New Orleans the Symbol is everywhere. Cars, Buildings, windows, even the bins. It is the symbol of the city and fits in nicely with the whole French Quarter style of the city.

Smograider 30.09.2010 12:42 PM

Thanks for the replies guys, much appreciated, they were an interesting read; although Arathrael's comment 'As for the suggestions of using Napolean's symbol - would it really make sense to drop the symbol of your founders to take the symbol of a man who sold you? strikes me as a bit stupid.

Sold? Sold to who? Napoleon granted the state it's freedom - i.e allowed it to be an independent state, free form foreign control (the rest of the country was effectively ruled by Britain at the time) the state got it's name due to being owned by Lois. Napoleon did not sell it to anyone, and nor did he appropriate it (like French Royalty did), sheesh:rolleyes:. I was under the impression that 'independence' was a big thing for Americans. Apparently, that only applies if the ruler was English. If Napoleon had not acted the way he did, they would have had to fight the French too.

The fact still remains the Fluer de Lys is everywhere because French Royalty had it put there. The symbol does look good I agree:cool: It still strikes me as odd, that a vehemently Republican country adheres to a symbol of French Royalty (now extinct). Would you not find it strange if say, Atlanta used the Union Jack, or the Royal coat of arms? After all, Georgia gets it's name due to King George, and English Rule.

My suggestion of the Saints using the Bumblebee was tongue in cheek really (I should have used a ;) there, my bad):) Just thought they would have used something else that's all.

I am not trying to turn this into a big debate, or offend Saints fans for that matter. I was just curious.

Some seem to feel that 'curiosity' = 'stupidity'. Fortunately, that's not a dominant view - otherwise, we would still all be huddled in caves, oblivious to the concept of 'fire', and would never have wondered why the Sun makes the ground feel hot.

DarrenSQh 30.09.2010 07:06 PM

Its spelt Fleur De Li, by the way.

Smograider 30.09.2010 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarrenSQh (Post 1202991)
Its spelt Fleur De Li, by the way.

LOL:D I think you will find that either spelling is accepted. But if that's what you prefer - de li it is:)


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