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Old 06.01.2010, 04:04 AM
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so with the cutler trade, we end up with orton who is all said and done an nfl qback,but what i saw of him in chicago a limited one at that,orton doesn't go through his progressions quick enough,can't improvise if a play breaks down, then gets despewrate when the game gets on the line..
His speed of progressions has improved. I do believe Chicago made Orton what he is especially after Purdue where he was very good at checking down. I think Chicago gave him a couple of options and that was it. I do think he has improved in his progression reading - I also think he is not sold on some of the checkdowns and chucks it away. Now throwing the ball away is smart, far smarter than trying to make something happen when one should not.

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ok the kc game,i was getting concerned about the passes to gaffney, he was looking for him at one stage on almost every play,
Can't disagree - it looked good when it was working early on and many felt a little smug. But it was very on dimensional and prevented the running game to get going - which as you know beat the Chiefs earlier on.


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running moreno up the gut doesn't seem to work, you can't blame the o-line because when buckhalter carries he seems to have better success than knowshon, who normally falls at first contact..
why not sweep and stretch plays for moreno, or pass to him in the flats
You can blame the Oline - they are a zone blocking Oline. On 15 running plays in the Eagles game there were 3 or more OL in the Denver backfield - 12 on Sunday. That is an Oline problem. We will benefit from the return of Harris -I hope he is fully recovered. But we need a new interior. Knowshon is a hard-nose runner, though if the first thing he does is to try and get rid of two DL he isn't going to be able to.

I agree with using the RBs more in the passing attack. Buckhalter did that well for the Eagles - it would good to be see that. As it would getting to the outside. When we have guards who can trap and pull at speed I think that will really build our running game.


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vertical bomb
Everything you said about that was right - we didn't stretch teams enough when we could have. In fairness, the Raiders, Redskins, Giants and Chargers gave us the deep ball. You would therefore think we could put something in there for the other teams as we needed it.

Again, I go back to Shanahan's first year to his second - looked like 2 different offenses. This is what I expect from McD. More depth in the playbook and playcalling.

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why use scheffler as a blocking t.e when its obvious he's a better receiver, that don't make a lot of sense, why not utilize him more by running out patterns between 8-10 yards,
He was thrown to as many times as last year. I think Scheffler's production was down and I am going to put this one on him. Quinn looked a good fit at TE and apart from the Chiefs game Daniel Graham can do what Scheffler can too.

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last year he had a great season, this year he has been overlooked the thought of him being in the slot upagainst linebackers creating mismatches is great
Now regarding Eddie Royal - he was very banged up - even when he played he was banged up. He was running awkwardly with allsorts of extra padding. think McD had decided that Stokely was his Welker. Whilst he is a good possession receiver he lacks the speed or the quick cut on routes. I am hoping McD has now had time to evaluate and puts Royal in the slot and different positions. He could be a number one receiver but if as you said we are going to dink and dunk then at least when healthy he can get good YAC. I don't want to see a starting WR as a PR though!


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morenos got to learn to pick up the blitzes
Agreed - he missed a block when Orton got injured and either can't stand up to the Blitz or picks up the wrong assignment.

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in a nutshell theres not enough variety in my opinion for this offence to function, your putting to much on your D, they can only give you so many chances..
The D looked tired on many an occassion. Again, I go back to Shanahan's first year to his second - looked like 2 different offenses. This is what I expect from McD. More depth in the playbook and playcalling. More variety is needed and we should expect it next year.



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our red zone offence this year, was predictable, fades and hb dives, tell me you didn't know what was coming on 4th and 1 after moreno had been hit in the backfield again on 3rd down..
The Red Zone playcalling annoyed me at times too. We drive down the field using runs and then try passing. Or we are successful at passing then try and run it. At times it looked like we would settle for a FG and get out of there.

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you seem confident that royal will be here next year, lets hope so..
He's a hard worker - a fierce competitor and loves football. A healthy Royal be a big addition to us.

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is it all on orton, probably not, but a lot of the playcalling hasn't helped him, and his lack of scrambling ability won't work in this system either
I'm hoping that if this is supposed to develop into what New England runs then really he shouldn't have to scramble anywhere anyhow. Lets hope thats the case.

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this o-line was dominant for the first 6 games, which tells me that a good team doesn't become a bad team
But a banged up one does. Was this the only reason? As you said of course not. What happens in the confinement of the team has an impact as does the media, as does the confidence.

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been a jekyll and hide team.
Yes it has. And that is what frustrates us as fans - if we were the 4-12 Chiefs we would know where we stand. But we've seen two sides. We have been affected by the Media, players attitudes, coaching decisions, front office decisions and injuries. Because of all of that the 9 months we have to wait until next season will be squirmish at best!
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