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Old 01.01.2018, 12:03 PM
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Default How did your 2017 rookies do? have your teams rookies done?


Round 1
Tre'davious White - PFF rank him as their highest of all rookies, but the simple eye test is the Bills got a really solid CB and a 1st rounder to boot. From Day 1 in the off season White has come in, played really well, learnt from his mistakes and seems a really decent guy to boot.

Round 2
Zay Jones - It hasnt clicked with him yet. There seems no chemistry with Tyrod, and he has struggled to get seperation. I think being thrust in the WR1 scene hurt him. He has flashed talent. He will probably move to the slot, and with Benjamin and Thompson outside probably can find a good role, whether he ever lives up to the hype who knows.

Dion Dawkins - He has made Cordy Glenn, a very highly paid LT surplus to requirements, that takes some doing. His versatility for a guy who only moved from D line a few years ago is scary.On course to be the Bills LT for a number of years

Round 5
Matt Milano - One of the bargains of the draft, he took time to beat out Humber (no idea why) and has since coming in played to the draft profile, big energy tackling machine. In an off season that will be the LB corps rebuilt, he is the one piece who will stay, and be a key building block. Already a fan favourite

Nathan Peterman - He stank in LA after starting in difficult circumstances, since then he has actually looked ok in very limited appearances. He was a late round QB dart throw, which is what good teams do every year (the Patriots have drafted QBs as much as anyone in the Brady era) so the media hysterics seem out of control. Will stay in the off season and will fight with another rookie. He seems a smart enough guy that the Chargers debacle didnt ruin him

Round 6
Tanner Valejo - Very limited appearances but flashs potential (initially was ahead of Milano), injury impacted him. No reason why he cant stick around to be in the back LB / special teams mix

At the moment, at an early stages, it looks a great draft class. Starting CB, LB and LT, add in a 1st rounder to go with those. Jones who was the big hype, has also been the big disappointment. He has shown enough potential that I dont think he is a lost cause
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Old 01.01.2018, 05:08 PM
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Round 1, No. 22 overall: Charles Harris, DE, Missouri

Yet another pick of great potential unrealised. Dolphins Coaches have stressed they like what they see from Harris both in terms of practice and attitude and taking a long term progress plan with him. Comparisons made with Jason Taylor's underwhelming rookie season are more comments of hope than a realistic take on the situation. Too little shown so far to warrant any great optimism at this stage.

Round 2, No. 54: Raekwon McMillan, LB, Ohio State

Injured his ACL in August. Not a pick I liked, but was supposedly making positive strides in camp. Will have to wait to 2018 to see how he rebounds

Round 3, No. 97: Cordrea Tankersley, CB, Clemson

Whilst growing pains were clear as Tankersley adapted to the Pro's, there's a lot to like about his game. Broke into the starting lineup mid season and enabled Miami to wave goodbye to the increasing liability that was Byron Maxwell. He has played aggressive and despite being beaten has come back admirably in a number of games. With McCain & Howard at Corner and Slot and Jones and McDonald at Safety there is a shape to the Secondary not seen for years in Miami

Round 5, No. 164: Isaac Asiata, G, Utah

Considered to be the Sleeper of Miami's draft class, Asiata has been a major disappointment. Deemed not ready to play, unable to break into a struggling interior O-line, Asiata was only activated for the final game against Buffalo. An awful pick that puts a lot of questions against the Dolphins Scouting network. Despite being a position in need of significant upgrade the Dolphins were so enamoured by the potential of Asiata they didnt address the issuer until Round 5. A bad, bad decision

Round 5, No. 178: Davon Godchaux, DT, LSU

As poor as the Asiata pick appears to be, Godchaux is perhaps the best pick of the entire class. Outperformed Jordan Phillips, he has established himself next to Suh on Miami's front line. If his current rate of progress continues, Miami might have a fixture at the position for years to come

Round 6, No. 194: Vincent Taylor, DT, Oklahoma State

Placed on IR towards the season end Taylor formed a lesser part of the Defensive front rotation. He did well to make the roster and ended his season with 18 tackles

Round 7, No. 237: Isaiah Ford, WR, Virginia Tech

After back to back 1000 yard seasons at VT there was some excitement in the Dolphins camp of getting Ford in the 7th round. Unfortunately the potential could'nt be realised as with a number of players he injured his knee in Camp and was placed on IR

Overall Grade - C-. Dont think Harris, McMillan or Tankersley will be anything more than serviceable starters/rotation players. That for picks Rounds 1-3 isn't good enough for a roster that had far more holes than last years 10-6 season suggested.
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Old 01.01.2018, 05:26 PM
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1. Gareon Conley.
Off-field issues made this a risky pick in any case. Two games showed potential before being lost to a shin injury. Tre'davious White went with the next pick.
2. Obi Melifonwu.
Started on IR, then thrown to the wolves in his first game out of position against the Patriots in Mexico. Then back to IR.
3. Eddie Vanderdoes.
Showed some potential but didn't provide as much of a push up the middle that we were looking for. Did his ACL in week 17.
4. David Sharpe.
Filled in for injuries to Donald Penn. Did OK but too early to say what his potential is.
5. Marquel Lee.
Waited until the 5th round to try and fill what was one of the team's biggest needs, some potential but another one lost to injury and we were lucky to pick up Bowman.
7. Shalom Luani.
Decent special teams player.
7. Jylan Ware.
Signed to the practice squad, so no idea.
7. Elijah Hood.
Signed to the practice squad, so no idea. Called up to the 53 as cover when Lynch was suspended but didn't see any game time. Then released and re-signed to the practice squad.
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Old 01.01.2018, 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by iffies View Post
1. Gareon Conley.
Off-field issues made this a risky pick in any case. Two games showed potential before being lost to a shin injury. Tre'davious White went with the next pick.
2. Obi Melifonwu.
Started on IR, then thrown to the wolves in his first game out of position against the Patriots in Mexico. Then back to IR.
3. Eddie Vanderdoes.
Showed some potential but didn't provide as much of a push up the middle that we were looking for. Did his ACL in week 17.
4. David Sharpe.
Filled in for injuries to Donald Penn. Did OK but too early to say what his potential is.
5. Marquel Lee.
Waited until the 5th round to try and fill what was one of the team's biggest needs, some potential but another one lost to injury and we were lucky to pick up Bowman.
7. Shalom Luani.
Decent special teams player.
7. Jylan Ware.
Signed to the practice squad, so no idea.
7. Elijah Hood.
Signed to the practice squad, so no idea. Called up to the 53 as cover when Lynch was suspended but didn't see any game time. Then released and re-signed to the practice squad.
Not exactly a vintage rookie year. Hopeful that 2or3 of them can come good
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Old 01.01.2018, 09:42 PM
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Round 1, pick 28. Taco Charlton, DE. Michigan.

At the time it was a 'need' pick, a toss up between Taco and TJ Watt (who fared better, albeit it in a different scheme). 3 sacks isn't exactly the type of production you expect from a 1st round pick, even if it was pick 28. He played a limited number of snaps as part of the rotation but he did show some improvement towards the end of the year so there is hope. He needs a good off-season to prove he's worthy of a bigger role.

Round 2, pick 60. Chidobe Awuzie, CB. Colorado.

When he's healthy he's good, starting calibre CB good. Problem is he's only been healthy for 4 full games and got injured again in his 5th. He had hamstring issues to start the year, and a shoulder injury ended it. If he can get healthy and stay healthy it looks like a good pick (I hope we weren't saying the same thing about Mo Claibourne many years ago...........)

Round 3, pick 92. Jourdain Lewis, CB. Michigan.

Missed the opener but then became a solid part of the defence. Showed he can play inside or out despite his lack of size. Gave up the odd play/penalty, but he also made a few top notch plays of his own. Looks like a great pick for the 3rd round.

Round 4, pick 133. Ryan Switzer, WR. North Carolina.

Didn't really see the field on offence but he did display some spark as a KR/PR. Had a costly fumble on a punt against the Rams early in the season, but also had an 83 yard punt return for a TD against the Redskins too. Certainly has a role to play on Special Teams they just need to fnd a way to use him in the offence too.

Round 6, pick 191. Xavier Woods, DB. Louisiana Tech.

Seemingly a great pick. His role developed as the season progressed and he showed he could contribute in the nickel or at safety when required. Perhaps isn't ready for a starting job just yet but he looks to be a valuable, versatile player to have on the roster.

Round 6, pick 216. Marquez White, CB. Florida State.

A Practice Squad player who had a decent camp but was never called upon. They've signed him to a reserve/futures contract so he'll be staying on the team for now.

Round 7, pick 228. Joey Ivie, DT. Florida.

Never really made an impact in a crowded DL group. He was labelled as a try hard guy basically. He ended up on the Falcons Practice Squad and is still there now.

Round 7, pick 239. Noah Brown, WR. Ohio State.

He was drafted as a project. young, raw, coming out of a big college program. Played the odd snap here and there but never managed to unseat any of the veterans. Has the size to be a starting WR on the outside, time will tell if he develops into one.

Round 7, pick 246. Jordan Carrell, DT. Colorado.

Similar to Joey Ivie but made even less of an impact. He's a Free Agent now.


They seemingly nailed picks 60, 92 and 191, remaking half the secondary in the process. You can't knock that. If Taco can develop into a good, not necessarily great player, then it looks like another good draft by Will McClay & Co.

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Old 01.01.2018, 11:14 PM
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Round 1, pick 30. TJ Watt, OLB. Wisconsin.

Watt fell into the Steelers' laps, satisfying both need and value. He has been very good. Yes, he does get hyped up beyond his actual achievements, but this goes with the surname and having a certain brother down in Houston. A couple of sacks in his opening game did nothing to dampen the hype. He didn't reach those heights again from a sacks stat but we have drafted a number of OLBs in the first round in the last 5 years and Watt has had by far the best rookie year. Remember that this used to be a defensive system under LeBeau where you wouldn't expect to see much at all of even high round draft picks until their 3rd year (see: Hayward). Watt has been good at dropping back into coverage, which is something relatively new for our OLBs. Does miss some tackles and does get caught out in coverage sometimes but he's young and this year has been promising. He's also clearly a leader, like his brother.

Round 2, pick 62. JuJu Smith-Schuster, WR. USC.

You look down the list of 2nd round draft picks and realise you barely heard about half of them all year. But then there are guys like JuJu. The Steelers have a pretty good record of drafting wide receivers and so it continued here. Nobody misses Sammy Coates or Markus Wheaton; I don't think anyone would be that bothered if Martinis Bryant left this off-season. He can learn from the best in Pittsburgh and anyone who has to deal with him on one side and AB on the other is going to be in serious trouble. He's also really endeared himself to Pittsburgh as a community since joining the Steelers.

Round 3, pick 94. Cameron Sutton, CB. Tennessee.

Missed most of the season through injury but saw playing time in the last 5 games. Tomlin gave him praise at the press conference after the game yesterday. Next year we will see more.

Round 3, pick 105, James Conner, RB. Pittsburgh

Huge fan favourite immediately due to Pitt connection and having overcome leukaemia. But he's been pretty limited in terms of snaps as Bell features so prominently and then he was injured at the end. Snaps he did get were nothing to write home about - not yet sure I'd feel confident in him being my next guy up if Bell went down. Luckily so far we didn't need that this year in the way we needed DeAngelo Williams in the past 2 years.

Round 4, pick 135. Joshua Dobbs, QB. Tennessee.

Barely dressed and didn't see any game time.

Round 5, pick 173. Brian Allen, CB. Utah.

Active most games but didn't see many snaps on defense. To be honest in the last decade or so most of our 5th round picks have either not made it out of training camp or been cut within 12 months so if he can do more than that it's an upgrade.

Round 6, pick 213. Colin Holba, LS. Louisville.

Lost out to Canaday in the training camp long-snapper battle, now with the Jaguars.

Round 7, pick 248. Keion Adams, LB. Western Michigan.

On IR since preseason.


Best rookie class for a long time in terms of what we got in year 1. Even more than last year's. Many 4th round and below picks have been busts in previous years and on defense especially it has taken a while for players to come through so to get people contributing immediately is great. And perhaps the best discovery of all was Mike Hilton, CB, who was on the Steelers practice squad at the end of last year and Jags/Patriots practice squads before that and has really come from nowhere to be a great contributor this season.
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Old 02.01.2018, 08:48 AM
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Only had a few draft picks due to the numerous trades we made - obviously essentially used our first round pick on Brandin Cooks, who has been very good, and looks a great pickup - especially in light of Edelman going down in the pre-season, he's been the #1 WR and given us our first true deep threat in years.

As for the actual picks...

Round 3, pick 83 - Derek Rivers, DE - grade N/A

Tore his ACL in camp. A huge shame, as by all accounts he looked good, and with the retirement of Ninkovich was due for a big role at the OLB/DE spots. Hopefully he can make a full recovery and come back next year, because he was highly thought of both by draft "experts" and the Pats in training camp.

Round 3, pick 85 - Antonia Garcia, OT - grade N/A

Obviously picked up with the thought of replacing Solder at LT for 2018, but suffered with a mysterious injury and then illness throughout camp, and then was placed on the non-football illness list for the season basically right away. He was unlikely to see the field this year anyways (Solder, Cannon, Waddle, Fleming all ahead of him), which makes me a little cynical as to whether he caught the "Foxboro Flu" and we stashed him for a year. Seen as a project, guess we'll find out more in pre-season next year...

Round 4, pick 131 - Deatrich Wise Jr, DE - Grade A

Easily the best pick of the bunch this year, Wise has played all 16 games, and has played well for a rookie (and stats wise, has basically matched what Chandler Jones did in his rookie year). Started off strong, had a lull mid season, he has come on strong again down the stretch. Really high hopes going forward, was singled out for praise by Belichick in his press conference last week for his work ethic - along with Trey Flowers, think we may have found two really good DEs for the future from Arkansas!

Round 6, pick 211 - Conor McDermott, OT - Grade E

A bit of a flier pick, but McDermott didn't make the roster coming out of camp, which wasn't entirely unexpected due to the depth ahead of him at OT. We tried to get him back to the practice squad, but Buffalo picked him up and he's stayed on their 53 all year so they must see something in him. Ultimately was beaten out by UDFA Cole Croston tho

As ever with the Pats, they will find some UDFA's (sometimes more UDFA's than draft picks) who contribute - as below

Adam Butler, DT - grade B

Pass rushing DT from Vanderbilt, showed up huge in camp and pre-season. Made the 53, and has shown flashes of being a handy interior pass rusher throughout the season. Only a couple of sacks, but I think he has a good shot at having a solid NFL career.

Cole Croston, OT - grade C

A bit of shock to make the 53 man roster, but has stuck essentially all season, but been inactive for most games. They must obviously see something in him, and from being a college walk on, to beating out draft picks/veterans it is a great story for the kid. Maybe gets a shot in camp next year for a starting gig

Harvey Langi, LB - grade N/A

Langi impressed throughout camp and pre-season, and looked set for a big role on special teams and a useful backup role on defence as he made the final 53, before a horror car accident (he and his fiance are lucky to be alive looking at the photos of it) has thrown his career into jeopardy. A real shame, as it wasn't his fault (essentially just got smashed into from behind sitting at a red light), but hopefully he can come back next year. Was seen walking in the locker room recently, which is a good sign for the kid at least!

Jacob Hollister, TE - grade B

Managed to beat out a few veterans for the 3rd TE spot, and has played essentially every down on special teams, and has played in some offensive packages too. Has shown up consistently on special teams, and they seem to like what he has potential to do on offence (interesting note from Romo a few weeks back - saying that the Pats coaches were raving about his potential in their production meetings before I think it was the Steelers game).

Overall a bit of a down year for the rookie class, but that was simply down to the lack of them! Looks like we have one real hit on Deatrich Wise Jr, and some UDFAs have potential to be good starters, but still a lot of unknowns with this class.
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Old 02.01.2018, 12:36 PM
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Malik McDowell – DT - 2nd Round

As our highest draft pick I was expecting big things, he didn’t even make it to training camp before injuring himself in what sounds like a freak ATV accident, reports have stated that the injury was initially potentially career threatening with the worry of potential brain damage. Also got himself in trouble with the Police in a nightclub recently , not a great start to an NFL career, maybe next year !!

Ethan Pocic – G – 2nd Round

Has done well so far a very versatile player and a great addition to the roster, was part of special teams until a few weeks into the season but with an injury to Joeckl he came in at LG and performed solidly. Towards the back end of the season he featured more, and did a solid job.

Shaquil Griffin – CB – 3rd Round

Was thrown into the deep end early in the season and hasn’t looked out of place, opposite Sherman in the first half of the season he was targeted a lot and came up with the answers the majority of the time. After the Sherman injury he excelled into our number one CB , great addition to the LOB, and a sure starter for years to come, the best draft pick we’ve had in recent years IMO

Delano Hill – SS – 3rd Round

Seen very few snaps, the only notable thing he did all season was getting ejected vs the Rams, hard to make a judgement

Nazair Jones – DT – 3rd Round

Made a big play on his first NFL snap on opening day @ Packers with a pick 6 on Rodgers, only for it to be brought back for a penalty (wrongly IMO) has had a healthy amount of game time and doesn’t look out of place in a stacked defensive line, a very disruptive player who is capable of making things happen, missed the last few games with an injury and was placed on IR but a promising player for next year that’s for sure.

Amara Darboh - WR – 3rd Round

Looks a good addition to the WR option, has only had a 13 targets all season, but with an offense that is favourable towards targeting Baldwin/Graham/Richardson it was always going to be that way.

Tedric Thompson - S – 4th Round

Saw very few snaps, hard to make a judgement as of yet, made a big play on Special Teams vs the Falcons recovering the ball, only for the Blair Walsh Project to miss … again which would of sent the game into OT

Mike Tyson – CB – 6th Round

Promoted from the practice squad for the last few games, didn’t see a snap, no judgement as of yet lets hope he packs a punch like his namesake

Justin Senior – OT – 6th Round

Picked up an injury in training camp and was placed on IR – Was waived at the start of December to shave the cap, which was effectively caused by the failed Lane trade to the Texans, there’s a rumour floating around that he may be invited back for training camp next season

David Moore – WR – 7th Round

Was promoted from the practice squad towards the end of November, rumour has it this was a tactical move to avoid him signing with another team, didn’t see a single snap, no judgement yet

Chris Carson – RB – 7th Round

Set alight at the start of the season and turned into our #1 back in the 3 games that he featured, an injury kept him out for the rest of the season. If he can hit the ground running next year this could be a diamond in the rough
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Old 02.01.2018, 01:25 PM
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Round 1, 4th overall
Leonard Fournette

I think he's been a solid pick, but not an incredible one. 10 Touchdowns, 9 of them rushing, gains extra yards after contact and has totaled 1,000 yards. Hasn't always been playing and I think the playoffs will determine how good he is.

Round 2, 34th overall
Cam Robinson, T

Very good! He's the starting tackle already and the O-Line has shown a huge improvement from last season, gives away a few silly penalties, but rookies do that..

Round 3, 68th overall
Dawuane Smoot, DE

Hasn't played much and when he has, Dante Fowler Jr. and Yannick Ngakoue have been much better.

Round 4, 110th overall
Dede Westbrook, WR

Stepped up and done an okay job with the Jaguars top 3 receivers being injured. I think Keelan Cole and Jaelen Mickens were surprisingly better targets.

Round 5, 148th overall
Blair Brown, LB

He's done okay, but I don't think he'll be the long term answer and won't shift Smith-Poz-Jack off their starting roles.

Round 7, 222nd overall
Jalen Myrick, CB

Hasn't played, Jaguars have solid corners anyway.

Round 7, 240th overall
Marquez Willliams, FB

Hasn't played, Bohanon has done the job well instead.

Special mention to undrafted Keelan Cole, WR he ended up having the most yards and started the season as at least the 6th choice starting wide receiver, took advantages of the injuries and produced some great receptions.
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Old 05.01.2018, 01:44 PM
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Best Rookie class of 2017 surely?

Had more Rookie's of the Month / Week than any other team haven't we?

Hopefully that'll get us past crazy Cam & then the by against the Eagles & to the Superbowl
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