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Old 28.08.2010, 06:53 PM
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In somewhat of a tradition, here's my attempt at the 53 man roster. Any comments or posting your own 53 would be welcome.

Offense (25):

QB (2): Aaron Rodgers, Matt Flynn
RB (3): Ryan Grant, Brandon Jackson, Quinn Porter
FB (2): John Kuhn, Korey Hall
WR (5): Greg Jennnings, Donald Driver, Jordy Nelson, James Jones, Brett Swain
TE (4): Jermichael Finley, Donald Lee, Andrew Quarless, Spencer Havner
OL (9): Chad Clifton, Daryn Colledge, Scott Wells, Josh Sitton, Mark Tauscher, Bryan Bulaga, T.J. Lang, Jason Spitz, Marshall Newhouse

Defense (25):

DL (6): Cullen Jenkins, B.J. Raji, Ryan Pickett, Mike Neal, Justin Harrell, Jarius Wynn
OLB (4): Clay Matthews, Brad Jones, Brady Poppinga, Frank Zombo
ILB (4): Nick Barnett, A.J. Hawk, Brandon Chillar, Desmond Bishop
CB (7) Charles Woodson, Al Harris, Tramon Williams, Pat Lee, Brandon Underwood, Sam Shields, Jarrett Bush
S (4): Nick Collins, Morgan Burnett, Will Blackmon, Derrick Martin

Special Teams (3):

LS: Brett Goode
K: Mason Crosby
P: Tim Masthay

Notes:

I’ve got Al Harris making the roster rather than going on the Physically Unable to Perform list, because he could easily be ready by week two or three, rather than having to wait until week six.

I think Atari Bigby and James Starks will end up on the PUP list (Starks might even be placed on Injured Reserve sooner rather than later).

Tim Masthay pretty much won the punting competition with his performance against the Colts.

Frank Zombo and Sam Shields make the team after strong pre-seasons. Shields essentially replaces Jarrett Bush on special teams, and is a better prospect at corner.

Tom Crabtree is a hard cut at TE, but I can’t justify keeping five, and Quarless has far more upside.

Quinn Porter gains a roster spot almost by default as I can’t see the Packers keeping only two RBs. Although this could be a place for a trade/waiver wire acquisition.

The Allen Barbre/Breno Giacomini experiments are over. Both are horrific players and the new guys - Bulaga and Newhouse - essentially replace them from last season. Spitz makes it over Dietrich-Smith, though the former might be traded, in which case the Packers would keep Dietrich-Smith around.

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After the Colts game I have a feeling Graham Harrell may make the roster. He has flashes of potential and it's always a risk going with just one backup QB. He seems a good project for McCarthy and shows better potential than Brohm (just my opinion).

We may also look to shop Quinn Johnson. I'd love to have him on the 53 but as a 3rd FB he'd need to have stepped up his S.Ts play, and I don't think he's there. Preseasons a good showcase for scouts though. I could see us trading QJ and Spitz to be honest.

Pretty much agree with your prediction though.
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As above, got to agree, I think they will go with Al Harris on the roster even if he is not ready for weeks 1 or 2 just to get his experience there and not have him out for 6 weeks, as that is the area the Pack are looking weakest in pre season.

It's a shame as Harrel looks to have some talent, but I think they will go with just 2 QB's, especially after the injury riddled pre season and Rodgers track record of playing through injury thus far, the 3rd QB would be a luxury pick at this stage.

Hopefully you have called it right on Barbre, he has had his chance and still shown no improvement.
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Old 29.08.2010, 08:42 AM
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You have Al Harris listed twice - did you mean to include Jarrett Bush among the 7 CBs?

I wonder if they might keep Chery after his punt return TD. Perhaps in place of Swain - not sure that he is safe as WR#5.
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You have Al Harris listed twice - did you mean to include Jarrett Bush among the 7 CBs?

I wonder if they might keep Chery after his punt return TD. Perhaps in place of Swain - not sure that he is safe as WR#5.
It will be worth testing Chery a bit more in the final preseason to get a better idea. Swain obviously has the experience but another option at returner would be very tempting.
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You have Al Harris listed twice - did you mean to include Jarrett Bush among the 7 CBs?

I wonder if they might keep Chery after his punt return TD. Perhaps in place of Swain - not sure that he is safe as WR#5.
I've just noticed listing Harris twice, I've changed it to include Bush. Although I think Bush could be the first to be cut when Bigby comes off the PUP list.

From what I've read there's a big drop off from Swain to any of the other receivers who are on the bubble (though Swain is some way off the top 4 wideouts). I think Swain makes it because of his work on special teams. I remember him sniffing out a fake punt last year against (I think) the Bears.

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After the Colts game I have a feeling Graham Harrell may make the roster. He has flashes of potential and it's always a risk going with just one backup QB. He seems a good project for McCarthy and shows better potential than Brohm (just my opinion).

We may also look to shop Quinn Johnson. I'd love to have him on the 53 but as a 3rd FB he'd need to have stepped up his S.Ts play, and I don't think he's there. Preseasons a good showcase for scouts though. I could see us trading QJ and Spitz to be honest.

Pretty much agree with your prediction though.
I have been impressed by Harrell but I think the Packers will go forward with two QBs and try and stash him on the practice squad. There are rumours that Quinn Johnson could make it as a third fullback, with the Packers using Kuhn as a makeshift third running back. Though I think RB is a position the Packers could look to address in a trade/waiver wire pick-up. I'd feel uncomfortable with only two true RB's on the roster.
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For me the Packers need to keep 5 OLBs.

I think they need to trade Spitz and target someone like Antwaan Applewhite from San Diego (Antwaan Barnes from Baltimore would be absolutely ideal but I can't see that happening).

Applewhite has some upside as an OLB and is a great special teams player. IMO that's just what we need.
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So here’s my take on the 53. For the moment, I’ve assumed no trades.

Offence (25)
2 QB – Rodgers, Flynn (Harrell)
2 RB – Grant, Jackson (Porter, Lumpkin) Starks PUP
3 FB – Kuhn, Hall, Johnson
4 TE – Finley, Lee, Havner, Quarless (Crabtree)
4 WR – Jennings, Driver, Jones, Nelson (Swain, Dillon, Gore, Williams, Chery, West)
10 OL – Clifton, Colledge, Wells, Sitton, Tauscher, Bulaga, Lang, Newhouse, Dietrich-Smith, Giacomini (Spitz, Barbre, Campbell, McDonald)

Spitz is the most high profile cut here. Fact is that he’s no better than 3rd string at every position except C. Even there, you have Dietrich-Smith who is younger, cheaper and getting better and better. So barring injury catastrophe on the line it’s hard to see a scenario where Spitz plays a lot this year. If that pans out, where are you going to be with him next year, contract wise? I can’t justify keeping him on the roster over a player with a potential long term future with the club given that he figures to play so little. Giacomini still IMO has potential as a long term RT, is still young enough and cheap enough and makes the team on this basis. I would try to trade one of these OL to improve the team elsewhere, if so then Spitz would make the team probably.

For me running back is all about Lumpkin’s health. If he’s fit then I keep him and cut Quinn Johnson. If not then I’d sooner keep Johnson than Porter. RB is a position I’d be looking to supplement in trade – it’s possible we could get someone good here, finding a good OLB or S in trade will IMO be much harder. Getting that #3 RB would be curtains for Johnson. Otherwise I reckon you can get Porter on the practice squad and Kuhn handles emergency #3 situations in a game. It’s unlikely your #3 RB would be active gamedays anyway.

At TE I’d be looking to trade Donald Lee (who I do love, but I’d move in the interests of the team overall), as I’d like to find a place for Crabtree.

At WR I figure the drop off after the top 4 is significant. Swain’s failure to return fully from injury has made him eminently cuttable and the presence of 4 TEs makes keeping 5 WRs non-essential.

Defence (25)
6 DL – Raji, Pickett, Jenkins, Neal, Harrell, Toribio (Wynn, Wilson, Talley)
4 ILB – Barnett, Hawk, Chillar, Bishop (Francois, Joseph)
5 OLB – Matthews, Jones, Poppinga, Obiozor, Zombo (Simpkins)
5 CB – Woodson, Williams, Shields, Underwood, Lee (Bush, Clark) Harris PUP
5 S – Collins, Burnett, Martin, Blackmon, Peprah (Levine) Bigby PUP

DL – I want to keep Wilson around as I think he has potential, but he’s practice squad for me. Talley and Wynn, unlucky but you weren’t quite good enough. Toribio has been better than Wynn from what I’ve seen and I’d rather keep him for depth than Wynn.

OLB – both Obiozor and Zombo are vulnerable but from what I’ve seen there aren’t a whole lot of great candidates likely to be tradeable.

CB/S – ultimately it came down to Bush or Peprah for the last spot. I went for Peprah, I think the team might go for Bush. Special teams ability is the biggest consideration, but the Packers already have 2 backup safeties that are ST players first and safeties second. With a rookie starter and this behind them, I figure it’s wise to keep an experienced if pedestrian player. Plus, I’m getting rid of Bush.

Specialists (3)
K – Crosby
P – Masthay
LS – Goode
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Old 02.09.2010, 04:59 PM
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Like you, I'd prefer to see an experienced backup safety - Peprah - on the roster, rather than guys who are better on ST. But I gather Thompson doesn't like to keep (older) players as backups if they don't have the potential to be starters one day ...

Are you keeping 5 OLBs because we need that many, or because all these particular players are good enough? Perhaps they move one to the PS and keep Bush and Peprah on the roster. If they like Chery as a kick returner, I'd be tempted to cut Blackmon though.

Porter is now on IR. With Grant's concussion and Lumpkin's hamstring, I like the idea of trading an O-lineman for a new RB.

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Obiozor is a better all around player than Zombo. Zombo isn't a big special teams player and aside from the flashes of potential we've seen… I don't think he's good enough to play this year.

But what Zombo does have that I've not seen so much from Obiozor is a bit of natural pass rush ability.

Ideally the team would have 4 good, healthy OLBs like the Steelers do and this wouldn't be a debate. As it is, they have 2 starters that have barely played this preseason, a backup (Poppinga) who, hats off to him, has worked his **** off to become a better player but is a bit of a journeyman. And that's it. I don't think you can go into the regular season with 4. Jones' shoulder is a big concern to reinjure. Matthews hasn't played. Your #4 OLB could be playing a lot of snaps, so I want to make sure you've got an extra option on the bench.
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