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Old 05.09.2010, 11:34 AM
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Not sure if there were really any shocking moves to get down to 53 but certainly some interesting ones.

Will Blackmon as I predicted has been released (placed on IR and given an injury settlement.) Of course the effect is we have no legit returner. I think the Packers will be on the scout for one though. We've been through just about everyone trying to find a good talent, in the end we're back with Jordy Nelson and Brandon Jackson. I think they'll do a decent job, but we'll be no threat at kick off and punts.

What I didn't predict was Spencer Havner being cut. At least it makes room for Crabtree and his blocking ability. We've pretty much got the full spectrum with our TEs.

Nick McDonald making the roster is a surprise. I know the coaches liked him but I thought for sure he'd be on the P.S. It means Dietrich-Smith gets cut. Obviously holding on to Spitz is great, but isn't D.S a better guard than McDonald?... obviously not. It could be that McDonald goes if we find a KOR somewhere, who knows? (stop him getting picked up early)

The rest is self explanatory, though C.J Wilson making the roster seems odd as he wasn't really showcased much in preseason.
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Old 06.09.2010, 10:12 AM
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I don’t get the McDonald thing. I’d personally much rather have Dietrich-Smith. I think McDonald has no more potential than DS and he’s not as far along. DS I think is ready to go out there and play. He might not be great but he won’t disgrace himself. That’s what you need in a backup. McDonald I think you can get on the PS, but even if you can’t, is it really the end of the world? Sitton and Lang/Colledge IMO will be the starting guards on this team for the next 5 years. I think the picture is far less clear at C and as such I’d sooner keep DS.

Apparently they had offers again for Spitz and decided to keep him. I really don’t get it with Spitz. Sure, he gives you a good backup lineman for 2010, in that sense he makes it onto your best 53. But what are you going to do if he hardly plays this year? It’s going to be impossible to keep him because someone will make a run at him to start at C in free agency and we won’t be able to compete. If he does play a lot, it’s almost even harder. Do you sign him to starting C money? Where does that leave you with Scott Wells?

If Colledge/Sitton go down at G then Bulaga and Lang are both ahead of Spitz, probably at both positions. And at C you could’ve kept Dietrich-Smith as the cover. I suppose the defence is that for this season, Spitz is a better backup C than DS and Wells has been a bit injury prone.

I would probably have traded Spitz but in fairness I don’t know what sort of offers were on the table.

With C.J. Wilson, I think same deal as McDonald, you can get him on the PS – especially as he didn’t play a lot in preseason. Toribio I’d value more as a backup for this year.
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Old 06.09.2010, 10:37 AM
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Mostly happy but I feel that again that Ted is avoiding making the one or two moves we really need to make the next step - really feel we should have made a run at Stefan Logan or an extra OLB pass rush guy.
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Old 06.09.2010, 03:39 PM
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roster analysis
a few overview notes
the packers may be in the running for youngest nfl team, a title they've had for four-straight seasons. Average age of the 53-man roster is 25.87. They took the title with 25.70 last year.

the packers may well have the least experienced team with 3.28 years. Counted rookies and players that haven't played a game as zero years. Veterans are counted with number of years they have played (i.e. Mark tauscher has 10). The packers years of experience would have "led" league last season. Bengals were 3.77, packers second at 3.81. (possible the nfl calculates it differently).

packers have 11 players that have never played in an nfl game (20.8% of roster). Seven have played one season.

fullback: While the position goes the way of the dodo bird around the league, fullbacks continue to be all the rage in green bay -- a team that would rather put astroturf on lambeau field than live by a ground attack in any game. Quinn johnson does provide better short-yardage blocking, but the packers use john kuhn more in those situations because he can carry the ball and catch. Apparently the packers have designs on having all three on the 45-day gameday active roster because otherwise, keeping three fullbacks makes even less sense.
Tight ends: None of the four they kept was a surprise. Donald lee is needed to start if jermichael finley (27 games played in two seasons) is injured. None of the others can do that. Tom crabtree gives them a legit blocking tight end (when healthy). Andrew quarless showed natural talents that have to be hung onto and developed. It is a surprise spencer havner was released for all he does on offense, defense and special teams. He was tied for fourth with four td catches last season. But at the end of the day, he isn't special in any one area. Kind of a jack of all trades, master of none. But a good football player that should be picked up by someone.

Offensive line: Packers kept one more (10) than they did last season (nine). Not a big surprise, but keeping undrafted interior lineman nick mcdonald was -- and more than a few linemen weren't thrilled when they heard it was mcdonald that made the team. It's understandable. He was terrible in one-on-ones during camp. He ranked dead-last among all linemen in win % (12-16-6, .441). Mcdonald also struggled in the games. He did show a little improvement in the final game, but not much. Mcdonald is a very tough guy and does show promise. But he needs a lot of time in the weight room and that might have been better served on the practice squad. If he would have gotten claimed, i don't see the big travesty. The packers could have kept another player on the roster and went with only nine linemen. They already have spitz and lang, who can play just about any of those spots. Marshall newhouse could fill in at guard. And the packers could always go draft another guard next year. This kind of reeks of the decision to keep breno giacomini last season -- who after being waived today officially just took up space on the 53-man roster the past two years for no reason -- instead of a guy like s anthony smith. Will the packers rue not having another player on the roster again?
Defensive line: No surprise on the first five players kept. After that, it was a toss up between draft pick c.j. Wilson, jarius wynn and ronald talley. Both wynn and talley played better than wilson but not by much, so it wasn't surprising to see ted thompson stick with his draft pick (who may well have made it through waivers to the practice squad). Keeping wilson is all fine and dandy -- as long as justin harrell doesn't get hurt. Wilson isn't ready to play. If he has to, the packers are taking a big step back.

Linebackers: Only slight eyebrow raiser is the packers, a 3-4 team, kept only eight linebackers -- one less than last season. But like we've said in this space before, the packers are severely lacking on the talent scale after bishop. And the packers aren't getting great play out of lbs that play special teams, so it's probably better to keep more players elsewhere. Frank zombo is not ready to play this season, one year removed from being a college de. He does, however, have good potential that should be developed. Could it have been done on the practice squad? Maybe. Like at de, the packers could have probably used some outside help at outside linebacker because if clay matthews or brad jones gets injured, brady poppinga and zombo aren't going to provide the kind of help a super bowl contender needs. Seems like cyril obiozor was left out because, while he is a much better athlete than zombo, obiozor didn't have a high football iq. Strange, because he's highly intelligent.

Cornerbacks: No surprises. Question is, who gets cut when/if al harris gets back? Pat lee or jarrett bush?

Safety: This is more about special teams than it is safety, because will blackmon wasn't on the field enough to prove he could play the position beyond a shadow of a doubt, so the packers had to keep charlie peprah. So who will return punts? Likely jordy nelson. Packers have made it this far without a dynamic return game. They more want solid production there. Would not be a surprise, if blackmon gets healthy and does not sign elsewhere, that the packers tread water on kicks for a while and then bring blackmon back to put some oomph in the unit for the stretch run.
Specialists: Tim masthay was more consistent than chris bryan. Will be interesting to see if the packers sign bryan to the practice squad, which would in effect keep the competition going.

the label on ted thompson has always been that he can build a roster to a certain point, but doesn't make the moves needed to put the team over the top.

in his final season with the seattle seahawks, thompson signed three free agents (backup qb brock huard, cb bobby taylor and de grant wistrom). The team went 9-7 and to the playoffs. The year he left to take over the packers, the seahawks signed 10 free agents -- six of whom contributed if not started -- and drafted two big contributors (lbs leroy hill and lofa tatupu). The seahawks went 13-3 and to the super bowl.
fair or not, the "forever building two years down the road and not for the now" is the label thompson has been saddled with until he proves otherwise (people also said peyton manning could never win a big game).
this could be the year thompson sheds that label, or it could grow heavier based on the decisions he made with his final 53-man roster.
in my opinion, thompson is carrying five players that aren't ready to help the packers if needed this season because of injury: Og nick mcdonald, te andrew quarless, og marshall newhouse, de c.j. Wilson and olb frank zombo.
quarless and newhouse, the packers had to keep because they have a high ceiling.

the other players? Those are the exact type of moves -- or non-moves -- that could make or break this team. The packers will likely need players at those spots to pitch in during the course of a season. Will they be able to? That's where thompson looks like a genius, or people keep scratching their heads wondering if he can do it.

from all appearances, wilson, zombo and mcdonald could be good players with development, and might have been able to get in on the practice squad. The packers don't exactly have a great track record when it comes to keeping people around with hopes that they develop. Yes, tramon williams is certainly an example of a positive one. But the moves with breno giacomini and allen barbre -- you can even throw jarrett bush in here -- today that those things don't always pay off. The packers couldn't have used an anthony smith at safety last year against the vikings instead of giacomini staying on the roster?
who could have helped the packers -- either from their own cuts or elsewhere via trade or waiver-wire pickups -- with those three roster spots that they've decided to gamble on players that perhaps have potential?

in my opinion, the packers need more effective backup experience and/or talent at de, olb, cb and s -- or at least some combination of those. Up to this point, the packers haven't made any moves there. It isn't likely that they will.

it's clear thompson is sticking with the same game plan he uses every season. Will he be proven right and will he finally shed his label? Guess we'll all have to wait to find out.
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will blackmon is on injury reserve
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Old 07.09.2010, 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by LDB15 View Post
will blackmon is on injury reserve
He was placed on I.R but then released with an injury settlement.
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