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Old 14.11.2012, 10:03 AM
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Lewis doesn't always go BPA- he's telegraphed quite a few picks a long time before making them- the world and his wife knew we were picking Gresham, we all knew we were picking Green and Dalton.

Last year we all expected a corner, mostly Kirkpatrick.
Green, Smith, Rivers, Hall were all BPA.

We pick guys that fall.

Geathers plays 50-60% of the snaps. Even Gilberry's playing alot of snaps. Geathers gets about one hurry a game. We need consistent pass-rush when MJ and Dunlap are on the sidelines.

It's a huge need.

Apart from a strong safety, the secondary is fine. DE and an outside linebacker with good coverage skills are the two biggest needs on defense.
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Old 20.11.2012, 08:50 PM
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CUT 'EM :

DEFENCE: Gilberry; Maualuga; Muckelroy; Ghee; Mays; Nelson and Sands.

OFFENCE: Gradkowski; Scott; Rogers; Tate; Faine; Nugent; Pressley; Binns.

UNDECIDED/HAVEN'T GOT AN OPINION EITHER WAY:

DEFENCE: Sims; Still; Prater; Dye; Miles; Johnson; Thompson

OFFENCE: Quinn; Cook; Collins; Smith; Harris.

KEEP FOREVER! :

DEFENCE: Peko; Anderson; Dunlap; Geathers; Atkins; Burfict; Lamur; Lawson; Rey; Skuta; Allen; Clements; Hall; Dre; Newman; Crocker; Iloka

OFFENCE: Dalton; Law Firm; Leonard; Peerman; AJ; BabyHawk; Jones; Sanu (should start opposite AJ Green); Whalen; Charles; Gresham; Boling; Robinson; Zeitler; Roland; Whitworth; Wharton; Huber
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Cutting Nugent..... why???

I rate Nugent as one of the very best kickers in the NFL, let alone the AFC. Did you just catch a missed field goal without looking at his body of work?
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Old 20.11.2012, 11:07 PM
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My turn...


DEFENSE

Jamaal Anderson - Cut

Carlos Dunlap - Keep but kick him up the backside for consistency

Robert Geathers - Really... he's still there... cut, cut and cut!

Wallace Gilberry - Perhaps for depth keep, but probably can get better elsewhere

Michael Johnson - Keep, but again consistency M.J... consistency!

Geno Atkins - THE keeper, he's an animal

Domata Peko - Capable, keep unless manage to get a significant upgrade

Pat Sims - Keep if stays healthy, man mountain

Devon Still - See how he pans out in off season, possible keeper

Brandon Thompson - Haven't seen enough of him

Vontaze Burfict - Developing nicely, I expect a lot of good things from Vontaze after
a season's experience and another off season of work

Thomas Howard - Ouch! Didn't do anything remarkable before he was hurt, cut him

Emmanuel Lamur - Needs more playing time

Manny Lawson - Average, cut him when they can get an upgrade

Rey Maualuga - Not developing enough. Perhaps keep for depth but as a starter he
makes too many mistakes

Rodderick Muckelroy - Disappointed, I had high hopes for him, no loss he's gone

Vincent Rey - Again needs to prove himself, showed flashes of good play but
needs play time at backer and not just ST - keep and develop

Dan Skuta - Capable but only for depth purposes, keep for depth

Jason Allen - who, where, what, when? ;0p

Nate Clements - Past his best, expect to see Kirkpatrick step into starting lineup
not bad for depth

Brandon Ghee - He was showing up in pre-season and making noises, cut down
with the wrist injury, could it be his last chance gone...cut,
possibly keep for depth

Leon Hall - Shows some mental lapses but that's forgiveable for the times
you see him locked on coverage, when he plays well, he's one of
the better corners in the NFL, keep as starter

Adam Jones - Shows up in some games...disappears in others. Adam Jones
has good natural talent and can play corner well. I feel
comfortable with him at corner and as a returner, keep as
capable backup and returner

Dre Kirkpatrick - Can't wait to see what he can do....work in progress due to
injury, keep as starter

Terence Newman - Not as bad as some people think. Perhaps he is flawed but he
has been playing well as of late, so perhaps a keeper as
insurance

Shaun Prater - Injured, not seen anything, another chance to prove in offseason
- keep?

Tony Dye - Injured, not seen anything, another chance to prove in
offseason - keep?

Chris Crocker - Hangs around, even comes back after being cut and then
performs adequately upon return... keep for depth

George Iloka - Not enough seen.... production needed in off season cut or
keep

Taylor Mays - Too inconsistent, now we know why the 49ers rid of him, - cut

Jeromy Miles - I like him... I thought out of all the Bengals he had developed
the most, but he's still not there.. make or break in offseason
cut if he plateaus, keep and start if he gets there!

Reggie Nelson - Still serviceable, puts a good lick on.

Robert Sands - Injured, doesn't seem to have done anything... cut

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OFFENSE


Andy Dalton - A lot to prove, has chance to be the man but he still misses on too
many throws especially the long ball, and A.J is at his most
dangerous as the burner down the sideline - Keep

Bruce Gradkowski - Just hope that Dalton never gets injured. Not as bad as
T.J O'Sullivan, but not far off! He looked DREADFUL in pre-season
- cut him, plenty of serviceable backups that are better.

BenJarvus Green-Ellis - Surprise here... keep. Catch here though.... as a third down
back only. NOT an every down back, never has been never will.

Brian Leonard - Really like Brian Leonard. This year though he seems the odd
man out at a wedding with the law firms arrival. Surplus to
requirements and doesn't seem to fit Gruden's scheme - cut

Cedric Peerman - Keep for ST and depth at RB. More dynamic than the law firm
but a drunken walrus on roller skates is slightly more dynamic too

Bernard Scott - Time to ditch the paper umbrella in a Tsunami. This guy has had
far too many chances, far too many injuries and far too little
production- cut

Chris Pressley - Chris Pressley hasn't been a factor in the passing game.
Average in pass protection and run blocking, can upgrade - cut

Armon Binns - Time to put the 'Binns' out - cut, lacks consistency, route running
is suspect at times

A.J. Green - KEEPER - nuff said

Andrew Hawkins - Love the guy. Makes defenses have to account for him, always
a threat after the catch - definate keeper in the slot

Marvin Jones - Same as Binns

Taveon Rogers - WHO???? Nothing seen from this injured rookie

Mohamed Sanu - Coming on.... could the the Ying to Green's yang as number 2

Brandon Tate - Whats he still in Cincinnati for? It certainly ain't his returning
ability and his Sanu is better in the passing game

Ryan Whalen - Limited chances in games, surplus to requirements - cut

Orson Charles - Showed potential. Not enough to displace Gresham but could
be useful on two TE sets if he keeps developing. Seems like he
gets better each week and you see him on the field a little more
often - keep

Jermaine Gresham - Keep. Big load. Cumbersome but hard to bring down. Needs to
concentrate more. Blocking suspect at times.

Richard Quinn -Limited playing time, Charles and Gresham ahead of him in
pecking order - cut

Kyle Cook - Aggressive, not the best centre in the league but he's trusted
by the others on the line. Makes key mistakes but a hell of a lot
better than Faine and better than Robinson who is light on
experience. - keep

Jeff Faine - Tough on him coming in late in the day as a replacement.
Injury plagued, past his all pro days and doesn't look like a
starter when he's in there. Too many penalties. - Cut

Clint Boling - Starter. Playing very well. Opening up holes well,
quite impressive, expect more - keep

Trevor Robinson - Played better I thought than Faine. Has more upside, keep
as back up - keep

Kevin Zeitler - Rarely creates penalties, rarely his name being called, quiet
and thats good as it means he's doing his job. Good rookie
campaign - keep

Anthony Collins - Perenial backup, not great, wouldn't be missed - Cut

Dennis Roland - As above

Andre Smith - As a first round high pick he should be better. He has improved
but not as much as his high draft status should have indicated.
Will the Bengals pay a big contract in his contract year? No...
donb't blame them... could be cut

Andrew Whitworth - Not as good this year. More penalties this year and I've seen him
get beat more, age catching up? Still worthy of starting status
but pro bowl worthy as he used to be - no.... keep

Travelle Wharton - Injured...well thats a surprise...cut

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SPECIAL TEAMS

Mike Nugent - One of the NFL's very best - keep

Kevin Huber - Middle of the pack punter, could do better if the can trade or
draft for a boomer. - keep...possibly cut

Clark Harris - Capable LS, hasn't bodged any snaps I can think of - keep
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Old 20.11.2012, 11:09 PM
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Devon Still has to stay - he's looked very good for a rookie in limited time on the field and too high a pick to waste.

Sims - run D much improved with him.

Cook - 3rd string C at the moment, we'd be far better inside with Cook playing, albier he isn't stellar.

Smith - contract dependant I'd resign him, solid RT's are tough to find and he's still relatively inexperienced having missed so much time in years 1 and 2. I'd rather have him than take a risk on a high pick or FA.
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Old 20.11.2012, 11:14 PM
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Bengalsman, come on man! So many cuts we'd have half a roster and how do you replace them all? We'd be 2-14 next year.

Can't have a team of 46 probowlers

Even the best teams only have about 12-16 stellar players.
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Old 21.11.2012, 01:50 AM
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Bah! I've kept a fair few and even given some players opportunities to prove their worth.

There are however 'need' areas that they can try to address via free agency, trade or - my favourite option - drafting.
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Old 21.11.2012, 09:38 AM
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Oh Bengalsman....

I agree for the most part but some of that is a little poorly thought out. Huber's been flirting with the top 5 in the NFL this season. He's having a huge year.

Marvin Jones is in no way comparable to Armon Binns.

Andre Smith is having a big year

The last thing this team needs is a big overhaul, not when we're on the right-track. Can't really see any players under contract who are likely to be cut. Maybe Wharton considering his age, injury, cap number etc...

One thing to remember is the new 95% salary cap floor this year. Brown is going to have to spend some money. Smith should be re-signed and I wouldn't be surprised if we front-loaded a couple of extensions like Atkins, Gresham.

Who knows...there may even be a big free-agent signing (probably not)

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Old 21.11.2012, 11:11 AM
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Cutting Nugent..... why???

I rate Nugent as one of the very best kickers in the NFL, let alone the AFC. Did you just catch a missed field goal without looking at his body of work?
See, I'm the opposite, Bengalsman, I think Huber is capable enough to compete with the better punters, whereas I don't have the confidence in Nugent I would have it were Tynes stepping up for example (ok, maybe unrealistic example).

I think we could afford to utilise a 6th or 7th rd.pick for a younger kicker, or pick up someone in free agency. I would perhaps keep him in mind though...but even team legends need to go someday.

Although, if he could do this more instead of 'swinging out to the left' so often this season, I'd re-consider. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFPKQaXAdL4
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CUT 'EM :

DEFENCE: Gilberry; Maualuga; Muckelroy; Ghee; Mays; Nelson and Sands.

OFFENCE: Gradkowski; Scott; Rogers; Tate; Faine; Nugent; Pressley; Binns.

UNDECIDED/HAVEN'T GOT AN OPINION EITHER WAY:

DEFENCE: Sims; Still; Prater; Dye; Miles; Johnson; Thompson

OFFENCE: Quinn; Cook; Collins; Smith; Harris.

KEEP FOREVER! :

DEFENCE: Peko; Anderson; Dunlap; Geathers; Atkins; Burfict; Lamur; Lawson; Rey; Skuta; Allen; Clements; Hall; Dre; Newman; Crocker; Iloka

OFFENCE: Dalton; Law Firm; Leonard; Peerman; AJ; BabyHawk; Jones; Sanu (should start opposite AJ Green); Whalen; Charles; Gresham; Boling; Robinson; Zeitler; Roland; Whitworth; Wharton; Huber
Wouldn't cut Maualuga, and would probably play him in the place of Burfict , who would be starting as MLB .
might just get a big trade offer from the raiders for him.
Cant see much logic in cutting Nelson either , we certainly have to draft at SS cause Mays is awful , pushing our luck with 2 rookie safetys or 1 and a guy who got cut by us 1 year earlier
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