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Old 27.09.2010, 05:35 PM
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This question has been bugging me for nearly 30 years now, but have had nobody to ask.

Given that this is the symbol of French Royalty, or to put it another way - the symbol of Louisiana's colonialist oppressors.

It was in fact Napoleon Bonaparte that granted the state it's freedom,This in turn lead to the American war of independence, and thus to the America we know today.

Would it not be more apt for the Saints to use the Napoleon's symbol - the Bumblebee as their emblem?

Thoughts, answers anyone?
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Old 28.09.2010, 08:39 AM
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It strikes me as a bit of a daft question to be honest.

The Saints use the fleur-de-lys because it's a symbol of New Orleans (obviously), and it's been a symbol of New Orleans from the beginning, with the French founders flying a fleur-de-lys flag.

You can argue that a city or state should have abandoned all symbols associated with their colonialist oppressors, but clearly they didn't, and not unreasonably IMO.

As for the suggestions of using Napolean's symbol - would it really make sense to drop the symbol of your founders to take the symbol of a man who sold you?

Edit: also, the fleur-de-lys looks good. That's reason enough in itself. :-)
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Old 28.09.2010, 10:18 AM
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I think it's a bit harsh to say it's a daft question

Basically N.O. has no problem with its french roots. They quote french, eat french and really if your gonna connect yourself with a country, you gonna choose the regal pageantry of hundreds of years or the short and slightly awkward reign of Napoleon. It would be like choosing Roundheads over cavaliers. Bumblebee indeed!

I had a quick look at Dave Dixons book (the founder of the Saints) but he doesn't mention it.

On the Saint website it says this:
The Fleur de Lis, the emblem most closely associated with the New Orleans Saints and worn on the team's helmets, is a symbol from the Court of Louis XIV. It is a french word that stands for "flower of the lily". The Fleur de Lis is also a symbol for New Orleans, which was adopted during the French occupation of Louisiana from 1682-1762. Traditionally, it has been used to represent French royalty, and in that sense, it is said to signify perfection, light and life. Due to its' three petals, the fleur-de-lis has also been used to represent the Holy Trinity.

N.O. strongly identifies with it's french roots, in it's architecture and food, also two of the largest influxes of immigrants would have been french speaking the free Haitians and the French Canadians (Cajans). Some there even consider the US the oppressors.

Hell when other US teams want to insult us they call us French ******

Hope that goes some way to answering your question.

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Old 28.09.2010, 11:02 AM
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I think it's a bit harsh to say it's a daft question
I said a bit of a daft question. (I was thinking specifically of the bit about the bumblebee when I said it. And I stand by that!)
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Old 28.09.2010, 12:08 PM
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I said a bit of a daft question. (I was thinking specifically of the bit about the bumblebee when I said it. And I stand by that!)
Well I'm behind you there 100%,

Especially as now we have the Hornets!
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Old 28.09.2010, 06:40 PM
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Anyone that's been to Louisiana will know that the fleur de lys is So much more than an NFL teams logo, it's on building, churches, gates, and Walls all of them hundreds of years older than the Saints.

The NFL found out to their cost last year when they attempted to stop people selling shirts with the fleur de lys and Who Dat written on them, they were laughed out of court.
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