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Old 21.01.2016, 12:01 PM
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Sheldon Rankins is being banded about, and he would be a fit for our d line but he will probably go first round
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Sheldon Rankins is being banded about, and he would be a fit for our d line but he will probably go first round
Rankins, Kenny Clark out of UCLA, Andrew Billings (Baylor), Reed and Robinson (Alabama), Austin Johnson (Penn State), Sheldon Day (ND) and there are several more. The class is deep with names at the moment.

I noticed Rankins earlier in the season during a Louisville game, mainly because he looked the part. I watched a little of him earlier today, and he's solid. He's stout against the run, but can flash the ability to disrupt plays. I wouldn't say he 'wowed' me in the game I watched earlier (FSU I think), but he certainly is one to watch.

Robert Nkemdiche looks the most explosive of DT's I've watched, but obviously he's more of a 3 Tech and Tyrone Crawford is there at the moment. Kenny Clark is talked about as a NT, but from what I've watched he's a 1 gap guy and more towards a 3 tech for me. Billings looks a powerful player, a little top heavy perhaps, but has a quick step. The 'Bama duo are good players too, especially against the run (although that's what the scheme expects).

Austin Johnson is another name on the rise, I watched a bit of him against Ohio state earlier too. Bigger bodied guy, more of a typical NT. Seems to have a bit of height so his arm length probably allows him to 2 gap. Reminded me a little of DaQuan Jones, another Penn State DT from the 2014 Draft. Jones went in the 4th round.

I don't think the value is there at no.4, especially with how the roster is set up at the moment. In this scheme you'd consider Nkemdiche at no.4. Not saying you'd take him, but his play making ability would bring more value. At no.35, that's the spot to see what is left on the board and decide whether or not one of these guys will be an upgrade at the 1 Tech.
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I think we either 1_keep Hardy or draft Bosa 2_keep Moore for another year or draft a Qb or 3_keep Mclain or draft Ragland, like the look of Bosa having watched a tape
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I think we either 1_keep Hardy or draft Bosa 2_keep Moore for another year or draft a Qb or 3_keep Mclain or draft Ragland, like the look of Bosa having watched a tape
That's the issue at this stage, so much can happen in Free Agency that can alter things.

Chances are I'd say Hardy is a Cowboy next year. What's changed? They gave him a chance in the first place, and now with a season under his belt they'll surely think he'll be more productive.

I can't help but look at the secondary though. If they like the depth this year at CB/S then that might help make their decision at no.4 a little easier, but if they don't like that depth then it' could throw a spanner in the works.
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Just looking at the draft history from 63 onwards
12 D linemen
8 LB
7 each O linemen and DBs
5 Rbs
3 Wr
2 QB (Troy and Craig Morton)
2 TEs
1 S
Not looking good for Wentz then! lookin good for Manziel or RG3
so i,m guessin we go with Bosa, Reed, Oakman, Ragland, or knowing the Cowboy recent history we select Spence
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Just looking at the draft history from 63 onwards
12 D linemen
8 LB
7 each O linemen and DBs
5 Rbs
3 Wr
2 QB (Troy and Craig Morton)
2 TEs
1 S
Not looking good for Wentz then! lookin good for Manziel or RG3
so i,m guessin we go with Bosa, Reed, Oakman, Ragland, or knowing the Cowboy recent history we select Spence
Interesting. When you consider the recent addition of Smith, Frederick and Martin to those picks it shows things can change. Prior to that they'd only taken 4 First round O linemen in almost 50 years!

The Cowboys Top 5 selections since 1967:

2003 - 5th overall pick - Terrance Newman, CB.
1991 - 1st overall pick - Russell Maryland, DT.
1989 - 1st overall pick - Troy Aikman, QB.

------^------Jerry Jones ERA-------^--------------------

1977 - 2nd overall pick - Tony Dorsett, RB.
1975 - 2nd overall pick - Randy White, DT.
1974 - 1st overall pick - Ed 'Too Tall' Jones, DE.

The Cowboys Top 10 selections since 1967:

2012 - 6th overall pick* - Mo Claibourne, CB. (*Traded up from 14th)
2011 - 9th overall pick - Tyron Smith, OT.
2002 - 8th overall pick - Roy Williams, S.
1998 - 8th overall pick - Greg Ellis, DE.

So the Top 10 picks of the Jerry Jones Era have been a QB, 2 D Linemen, a Safety, 2 CB's and a OT.

Seeing as the Cowboys have Tyron Smith now I think we can rule out OT.

So that leaves one of the QB's, a CB or Safety, or a DE or DT......if things follow on from the past. Every draft is different, but this one seems deep on the D line (round 2 perhaps?) so one of those top QB's or CB's looks likely.

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So the 'talk' is Jalen Ramsey is no.1 on the Cowboys Draft Board. You have to love how this stuff comes out in February.

To be fair it would be good news if he is. He'll no doubt excel at the combine, athletically anyway, and then he'll be in the conversation for no.1 pick in the Draft.

Just have to decide whether he's a cornerback or a safety. Same thing as Byron Jones really, but if you paired those 2 together you'd have an amazing long jump team if nothing else.
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From the 'Gregory' thread..............

That's the NFL for you. It's very hard to fill all the holes in your roster.

The key is finding 'diamonds in the rough' in later rounds of the draft, something the Cowboys have failed to do.

Look at the players on the Cowboys roster that have been drafted outside of the top 100 picks over the last 10 years:

Damien Wilson (4th round - 2015)
Ryan Russell (5th round - 2015)
Mark Nzeocha (7th round - 2015)
Geoff Swaim (7th round - 2015)

Anthony Hitchens (4th round - 2014)
Devin Street (4th round - 2014)
Terrance Mitchell (7th round - 2014)

Kyle Wilbur (4th round - 2012)
James Hanna (6th round - 2012)

Orlando Scandrick (5th round - 2008)

Doug Free (4th round 2007)

They've made 54 picks outside the top 100 in the last 9 drafts by my reckoning. 10 are on the roster, and 8 of those are still on rookie contracts. So 2 players from 54 have been good enough for a 2nd contract. 2! I don't know how that compares across the league but I'm guessing some teams have a much better success rate than that.
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Old 22.02.2016, 11:27 AM
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They have drafted Jo Randle (151st - 2013) and Devonte Holloman (185th - 2013) outside the top 100 too. Holloman might still be on the roster if not for injury. Kyle Wilbur (113th - 2012) is a free agent this year.

As for guys who have moved on due to cap reasons......Dwayne Harris (176th - 2011) is the only one I could find since 2006. They could have kept him if they wanted to, they chose UDFA Cole Beasley instead.

Jason Hatcher (72nd - 2006) and Martellus Bennett (61st - 2008) moved on but they hardly set the world alight for the Cowboys. Hatcher did well in his contract year, hence why he was 'too expensive' to resign.

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A quick look at the Broncos since 2006:

David Bruton 114th 2009

Virgil Green 204th 2011

Omar Bolden 101st 2012
Malik Jackson 137th 2012
Danny Trevathon 188th 2012

Matt Paradis 207th 2014
Cory Nelson 242nd 2014

Max Garcia 133rd 2015
Lorenzo Doss 164th 2015
Darius Kilgo 203rd 2015
Trevor Siemian 250th 2015
Taurean Nixon 251st 2015

They lost Brandon Marshall (119th 2006) Elvis Dumerville (126th 2006) to free agency, and can be classed as players lost to 'success' (unlike Dwayne Harris).

So they have 12 picks from outside the top 100 on the roster, at the moment. Look at that 2012 draft though, Malik Jackson and Danny Trevathon, later round picks that are now 2 of the biggest free agents out there. They got their starting center in the 7th round in 2014 too.

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Last one, the Patriots:

Stephen Gostkowski 118th 2006

Matt Slater 153rd 2008

Julian Edelman 232nd 2009

Marcus Cannon 138th 2011

Nate Ebner 197th 2012

Bryan Stork 105th 2014
James White 130th 2014
Cameron Fleming 140th 2014

Darryl Roberts 247th 2015
AJ Derby 202nd 2015
Joe Cardona 166th 2015
Shaq Mason 131st 2015
Tre Jackson 111th 2015
Tre Flowers 101st 2015

They haven't really lost anyone to Free Agency. They do a good job of finding 're-treads' from other teams too I think.

So 14 still on the Pats roster compared to possibly 11 for the Cowboys and 12 for the Broncos.

Perhaps it isn't the be all and end all, obviously teams are built in several ways. If you can find 'stars' like Jackson, Trevathon, or Edelman though it certainly helps. Across those 3 teams they have also found starters too, I think that's what the Cowboys lack when you look at their list. Scandrick in 2008 was the last guy to develop into a starter, although it's early days for recent classes to be fair.

*The Cowboys did find Dan Bailey in 2011 as a UDFA too.

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