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Old 18.07.2017, 09:44 PM
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I'll give the Offense minus O line a go!

QB:
Peyton Manning - 2021 - LOCK
Tom Brady - LOCK
Drew Brees - LOCK
Aaron Rodgers - LOCK
Big Ben - YES
Eli Manning - YES (But only because of the 2 rings, don't believe he should be a 1st ballot/Still bitter about SB 42 and 46!)
Philip Rivers - OTRT
Matt Ryan - OTRT
Donovan McNabb* - HOVG

RB:
Adrian Peterson - YES (Although do wonder if recent misdemeanours will count against him being a 1st ballot that he would have been previously)
Marshawn Lynch - YES
Frank Gore - MAYBE
Edgerrin James* - MAYBE
Steven Jackson - 2021 - HOVG
Eddie George* - HOVG
Corey Dillon* - HOVG
Fred Taylor* - MAYBE
Shaun Alexander* - MAYBE
Priest Holmes* - MAYBE

WR:
Randy Moss - 2018 - LOCK
Terrell Owens* - YES
Isaac Bruce* - MAYBE
Torry Holt* - MAYBE
Steve Smith - 2022 - YES
Calvin Johnson - 2021 - YES
Reggie Wayne - 2020 - HOVG
Andre Johnson - 2022 - MAYBE
Wes Welker - 2021 - HOVG
Hines Ward* - YES
Larry Fitzgerald - LOCK
Julio Jones - YES/OTRT
Antonio Brown - YES/OTRT
Brandon Marshall - MAYBE/HOVG
AJ Green. - OTRT

TE:
Tony Gonzalez - 2019 - LOCK
Jason Witten - YES
Antonio Gates - LOCK
Rob Gronkowski - YES/OTRT (Based on current performance, but if injury limits career there may be some debate)
Greg Olsen - MAYBE


The RB/WR log jam makes it incredibly hard to predict who will make it and who slides into the HOVG!
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Old 18.07.2017, 10:14 PM
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Eli is a lock for the HOF.he will pass the 50,000 yds passing this season and with all he has already achieved he will be a 1st ballot guy.

think guys like Rivers and Carson Palmer will struggle without atleast 1 superbowl appearance.
Eli will get in, but he's not a 1st balloter. He's a few tiers below the HoF elite guys and there's going to be a queue of modern day QB's who are before him in the line by the time he retires

Carson Palmer at this point in time has no chance of Canton. Rivers is a fine QB, almost Warner-ish, but Warner had the SB appearances. Rivers done next to nothing at the business end of the season and HoF voters take great stock in that
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Old 19.07.2017, 06:21 AM
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The question mark with Big Ben is can he stay healthy? Eli's Giants look pretty loaded too if their O line can find some consistency. OL issues effect Rivers too.

I'd want to say YES for both BR and EM really, but everyone cant get in. (although in hindsight they perhaps should have been YES, because they will get in eventually one way or another.
I think its worth remembering how (relatively) poor the QB classes between 2009 and 2013 are when thinking about the potential log jam.

Matt Stafford and Sam Bradford are the only notably names from the first two. Neither man's career stands up to BR or EM and Stafford vs. Rivers would be an interesting debate. 2011 has Cam Newton and Andy Dalton. Dalton without a playoff win is an unlikely candidate. Newton's got QB rushing records and one special season but has been far more inconsistent than the log jam guys.

2012 was the year of Luck and Griffin. We can dismiss Griffin outright. Luck obviously has a lot of year's left (everyone on this list has really) but he's not put together a HOF career yet. He's only got 1 win in the playoffs and has failed to take his team into the post-season regularly despite being in a perceived poor division. Ryan Tannehill was the other 1st round QB but I doubt anyone is likely to be putting forward his candidacy.

The potential anomaly is Russell Wilson. He is the only QB from 2009 to now to win a Superbowl ring. He has also taken his team to another one and won a game in the playoff every year he has been in the league. Yet his candidacy would be controversial in itself. Many feel (like BR before him) that it was his defence that did the heavy lifting and he has mostly excelled in the rare run first offence. How that would be seen with voters is interesting.

Then 2013 is a complete bust unless EJ Manuel or Geno Smith have a shock career renaissance.

This gives the 2004 class (and those not locked around them) some considerable time to get in.
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Old 19.07.2017, 06:29 AM
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Matt Stafford is going to put up some very big career numbers. He currently stands at 30,303 yards and 187 TDs and doesn't turn 30 until Feb next year.
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Old 19.07.2017, 06:45 AM
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Matt Stafford is going to put up some very big career numbers. He currently stands at 30,303 yards and 187 TDs and doesn't turn 30 until Feb next year.
Stafford also has 108 turnovers which drops him quite a way under the 2:1 ratio certain people look for. (Of the names above only Eli Manning is worse (and he is considerably worse - in fact he is crazy worse)). He also has an 0 and 3 playoff record.

He's also got Aaron Rodgers in his division which is likely to curtail opportunities.
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Old 19.07.2017, 09:03 AM
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Matt Stafford is going to put up some very big career numbers. He currently stands at 30,303 yards and 187 TDs and doesn't turn 30 until Feb next year.
He's a good case in point in regards to the line taken that stats aren't everything

Joe Montana's stats don't leap out at you, particularly in comparison to modern era guys. What those headline stats don't give you is his play in the clutch, leadership qualities etc - when those are taken Montana goes into GOAT territory

Stafford is very good and showed that at times last year without Megatron - but HoF right now? - no
Then again he may have a Brees type five or six years with a couple of deep playoff runs. Discussion may be different then
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Old 19.07.2017, 09:10 AM
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Stafford is very good and showed that at times last year without Megatron - but HoF right now? - no
Then again he may have a Brees type five or six years with a couple of deep playoff runs. Discussion may be different then
I don't think Stafford is going to end up in Canton at all, but ironically losing Johnson will probably help Matt's perception among fans - the offense is more balanced these days, and he uses his impressive range of passes to spread it about a lot more. He looks far more complete as an individual.

How much of that is down to Stafford's own increasing maturity and experience? how much is Cooter's offense? But the easy (and thus popular) first take is that it's down to Calvin retiring.
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Old 19.07.2017, 09:40 AM
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QB:
Peyton Manning - LOCK
Tom Brady - LOCK
Drew Brees - LOCK
Aaron Rodgers - LOCK
Big Ben - YES
Eli Manning - MAYBE
Philip Rivers - NO
Matt Ryan - NO
Donovan McNabb* - NO

RB:
Adrian Peterson - YES
Marshawn Lynch - MAYBE
Frank Gore - MAYBE
Steven Jackson - NO
Edgerrin James*- MAYBE
Eddie George* - NO
Corey Dillon* - NO
Fred Taylor* - NO
Shaun Alexander* - NO
Priest Holmes* - NO

WR:
Randy Moss - LOCK
Terrell Owens* - YES
Isaac Bruce* - MAYBE
Torry Holt* - MAYBE
Steve Smith - MAYBE
Calvin Johnson - YES
Reggie Wayne - MAYBE
Andre Johnson - MAYBE
Wes Welker - NO
Hines Ward - NO
Larry Fitzgerald - LOCK
Julio Jones - OTRT
Antonio Brown - OTRT
Brandon Marshall - NO
AJ Green - OTRT

TE:
Tony Gonzalez - LOCK
Jason Witten - YES
Antonio Gates - YES
Rob Gronkowski - LOCK
Greg Olsen - NO

OL:
Tony Boselli - YES
Kevin Mawae - YES
Alan Faneca - LOCK
Olin Kreutz- NO
Richmond Webb - YES
Steve Wisniewski- MAYBE
Steve Hutchinson - YES
Logan Mankins - NO
Joe Thomas - LOCK
Tyron Smith - OTRT
Marshall Yanda - OTRT
Jahri Evans - MAYBE
Nick Mangold - NO
Maurkice Pouncey - NO
Jason Peters - NO
Joe Staley - NO

DL:
Julius Peppers - YES
Terrell Suggs - YES
Dwight Freeney - YES
JJ Watt - YES
Ndamukong Suh - NO
Haloti Ngata - NO
Vince Wilfork - MAYBE
Jared Allen - MAYBE
Kevin Williams - YES
Richard Seymour - MAYBE
John Abraham - NO
Robert Mathis - NO
Simeon Rice - MAYBE
Bryant Young- NO


LB:
Ray Lewis - LOCK
DeMarcus Ware - YES
Brian Urlacher - MAYBE
Patrick Willis - YES
Zach Thomas- MAYBE
Luke Kuechly - OTRT
Von Miller - OTRT
Justin Houston - TOO EARLY

DB:
Ed Reed - LOCK
Champ Bailey - LOCK
Ronde Barber - MAYBE
Charles Woodson - LOCK
Troy Polamalu - LOCK
Brian Dawkins*- YES
John Lynch - MAYBE
Ty Law - MAYBE
Rodney Harrison- MAYBE
Darrelle Revis - YES
Richard Sherman - OTRT
Earl Thomas - OTRT
Patrick Peterson - OTRT
Eric Berry - YES

K/P/KR:
Adam Vinatieri - YES
Shane Lechler - NO
Devin Hester - MAYBE
Jason Hanson - NO
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Old 19.07.2017, 09:43 AM
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With passing stats on the rise you'd have to think accolades and achievements are going to play a dominant role in HoF admission.

HoVG QB's are going to put up 50000+ yards. Itll filter down to WR's too.

As for Stafford, I think he needs to keep a close eye on how Philip Rivers is perceived once he calls it a day. More than likely neither end up with a ring.

A good point earlier from FF though. It's looking like there will be a 'drought' of HoF worthy QB's at some point.
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Old 19.07.2017, 09:51 AM
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A good point earlier from FF though. It's looking like there will be a 'drought' of HoF worthy QB's at some point.
Looking back on old preview magazines the top 10 QBs have been in the main unchanged for the last 10 years - very different to nearly all of other positions

With Brady, Brees, Ben, Rivers and Eli perhaps in the twilight of their careers it'll be interesting to see who replaces them in that top echeleon (which Eli has slipped from)

Right now Carr, Mariota, Winston may be the the new breed who join Luck & Wilson amongst the old timers - I need to see more from Dak then the one year so far
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