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Old 25.03.2019, 07:45 PM
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the problem is the non surprise on-side kick is so useless now that there are so many formation rules the league knows you maybe have to risk a gimmick play like this or down two scores late in the game will take away so much excitement.

think even Elway knows its not really great but they need to try something.

onside kicks were always pretty tough and i think the adjustment to that situation would be the way to go.


this could just result in some bs in key moments though.
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Old 25.03.2019, 08:27 PM
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Say a tight end enters the league, wins the Superbowl 4 times in a row, then retires. Would that make him the best ever since he's achieved such an impressive feat?

Longevity has to be right up there with talent when judging.
maybe we have to compare Gronk stats the same way we should look at the likes of Barry Sanders/Calvin Johnson who both played either 9 or 10 seasons so aren't maybe up there in all-time stats at there positions but had some of the most dominant spells and entertaining careers.

also maybe with Gonzalez because he played on some really bad Kansas teams that rarely made the play-offs compared to Gronk who was always playing meaning full games in the national spot light does that have an impact on how people have these two rated??
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Old 25.03.2019, 08:42 PM
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maybe we have to compare Gronk stats the same way we should look at the likes of Barry Sanders/Calvin Johnson who both played either 9 or 10 seasons so aren't maybe up there in all-time stats at there positions but had some of the most dominant spells and entertaining careers.

also maybe with Gonzalez because he played on some really bad Kansas teams that rarely made the play-offs compared to Gronk who was always playing meaning full games in the national spot light does that have an impact on how people have these two rated??
Comparing to Sanders/Johnson is fair. That backs up what I'm saying though cause neither Sanders or Johnson can be classed as the best ever for the exact same reason.
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Old 25.03.2019, 08:57 PM
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maybe we have to compare Gronk stats the same way we should look at the likes of Barry Sanders/Calvin Johnson who both played either 9 or 10 seasons so aren't maybe up there in all-time stats at there positions but had some of the most dominant spells and entertaining careers.

also maybe with Gonzalez because he played on some really bad Kansas teams that rarely made the play-offs compared to Gronk who was always playing meaning full games in the national spot light does that have an impact on how people have these two rated??
Think we can drop Barry Sanders from that comp. 153 games, over 15,000 rushing yards (3rd all-time). 99 rushing TD's (10th all-time, but only 7 TD's behind Jim Brown and Adrian Peterson who are 5th on that list). Hardly missed a game in 10 seasons too.

Stats-wise, maybe CJ is a better comp, but again he didn't miss many games.
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Packer @ Bears confirmed for opening Thursday night.
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Packer @ Bears confirmed for opening Thursday night.

i guess the Pats are too boring
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Old 25.03.2019, 10:13 PM
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i guess the Pats are too boring
looks like we get SNF instead but the NFL want to kick-off the 100th season with an all time classic and its a great match up.

Patriots hosting maybe the Browns/Jets maybe a better sunday opener.
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looks like we get SNF instead but the NFL want to kick-off the 100th season with an all time classic and its a great match up.

Patriots hosting maybe the Browns/Jets maybe a better sunday opener.
That would certainly peak people's interest.
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Comparing to Sanders/Johnson is fair. That backs up what I'm saying though cause neither Sanders or Johnson can be classed as the best ever for the exact same reason.
When Barry finished his career he was 2nd all-time in career rushing yards and attempts, a 10-time All Pro, unananimous All Decade, MVP, twice OPOTY. Jim Brown played fewer games and seasons than Barry yet alongside Walter Payton they’re generally considered to be a class by themselves in NFL history. Brown and Sanders were also first and second for yards per game and yards per carry. Also worth remembering RBs also have much shorter careers compared to TEs and WRs where we have the likes of Rice, Gonzalez and Fitzgerald played well into their late 30s. Barry could’ve played another two seasons at an elite level and crushed the all-time rushing record but I certainly wouldn’t say his career was short, just that he left with everyone wanting more.

Now with Megatron you have a point as his career counting numbers for receptions and receiving yards are well down the career list. He was young for a WR to retire. When you take into consideration his per game averages, overall dominance and accolades he’s as good as anyone that’s ever played. Gronk will certainly fall into that category as well. Both Gates and Witten have far more receptions and receiving yards, and Gates also has a lot more TDs. But if I was choosing a TE from this era I’d take Gonzalez and Gronk in a clear tier above the rest.

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The Raiders have signed QB Landry Jones.

Gruden does know he doesn't host his QB Camp anymore, right?

Carr, Glennon, Peterman, Jones....... and he hasn't even got to the Draft yet!
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