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Old 12.12.2017, 07:34 PM
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I believe it was ‘easy movement of workers’ which is an important difference, but that’s beside the point.

Labour know that the tories have blown Brexit, the public are turning against Brexit (if they were ever for it) and the responsible people in labour (that is, not momentum) are sewing the seeds for a potential about-turn.

At long last, the adults are turning up to deal with this.
Keir Starmer on sunday said labour would be in favour of "easy movement of EU citizens in exchange for continued tariff free trade.

can you explain where you have heard that "the people" are turning against Brexit.how many of the 17.4m are we talking about(think I typed that last week for some reason as well).
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Old 12.12.2017, 07:41 PM
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Keir Starmer on sunday said labour would be in favour of "easy movement of EU citizens in exchange for continued tariff free trade.

can you explain where you have heard that "the people" are turning against Brexit.how many of the 17.4m are we talking about(think I typed that last week for some reason as well).
I have seen recent polls which suggest that more people think Brexit will be harmful to the country than those who think it will be a benefit.

We don’t need many of the 17.4 million to change their minds, the swing to Remain needs to be around 1 million people. With the number of youths who have reached voting age in the last 18 months vs the number of elderly folk who have passed away, plus floating voters who have seen the performance of the economy since the Brexit vote and are now witnessing the impact on their wallet and bank balance. Hardline ‘walk away now’ leavers are increasingly thin on the ground, and sounding more ludicrous with every passing day.


Though of course none of that actually matters - parliament are the only people who can overturn Brexit, just as they’re the only people who could trigger article 50 - referendum’s in this country are not binding. If parliament decide Brexit will be too damaging, it is their responsibility to stop it, postpone it or make it as soft as possible - regardless of the so called ‘will of the people’
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Old 13.12.2017, 08:35 AM
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just getting the old vidiprinter up and running:


Trumps Sexual Predators 0 Basic Human Decency 1

that concludes last nights results.
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Old 13.12.2017, 09:37 AM
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just getting the old vidiprinter up and running:

Trumps Sexual Predators 0 Basic Human Decency 1

that concludes last nights results.
Or, to put it another way..

Alabaman voters willing to elect a child molester 48.4%
Alabaman voters not willing to elect a child molester 49.9%

With the same question to be asked in Alabama again in less than a year.
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Old 13.12.2017, 09:52 AM
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Or, to put it another way..

Alabaman voters willing to elect a child molester 48.4%
Alabaman voters not willing to elect a child molester 49.9%

With the same question to be asked in Alabama again in less than a year.

mine was a tad more hopeful

some of the interviews with voters out there were pretty scary, in that they have totally bought into the concept of fake news and liberal media (as in anything to the left of Fox.)
that stealing is worse than that, that they were not more likely to vote for him, his word carried over the victims and others that confirmed things. but the more worrying level were those that seemed to have no issue with it, some even stating they did similar things.

some of the lines for people working with Moore will go down as some of the most ridiculous things said, my favourite as to be the women that said what about the non-accusers.
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Old 13.12.2017, 11:45 AM
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Or, to put it another way..

Alabaman voters willing to elect a child molester 48.4%
Alabaman voters not willing to elect a child molester 49.9%

With the same question to be asked in Alabama again in less than a year.
And again shocking disparity along racial lines in the voting.

It is pretty clear in the US, both with this and with Trump last year, that for all the comments and actions these people make against women, it is not enough to counteract race when it comes to how white women vote. Women of all races were less likely to vote for Moore than men, but the difference was marginal whereas on racial demographics it was huge. Race trumps (small 't') gender, it seems when it comes to voting. And since most people vote in their own interests, perhaps this puts things into perspective when it comes to gender in society, too. For all the talk about how women have it tougher than men - and they do, definitely - the voting would suggest that even in the face of all the high profile sexual harassment coverage at the moment white women would still rather identify with a white-friendly abuser of women and girls (white women and girls, at that) than vote for a progressive.

White vote for Moore - approx 70%
Black vote for Moore - approx 5%
Black women - approx 3%
Black women - approx 7%
White women - approx 65%
White men - approx 74%

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some of the lines for people working with Moore will go down as some of the most ridiculous things said, my favourite as to be the women that said what about the non-accusers.
Yeah, what about all the teenagers he didn't molest! They've got to count for something!
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Old 13.12.2017, 08:15 PM
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Yeah, what about all the teenagers he didn't molest! They've got to count for something!
well looking forward to seeing how much coverage the media gives the Moore accusers from now on.maybe I am wrong but guessing CNN will still be talking about Trumps 12 diet coke a-day habit next week but not talking about Moore.

looking on certain right-wing media it looks like Bannon will be blamed for the disaster that the republicans have just suffered but seems that Doug Jones wont be seated till January so the Republican tax bill should clear both houses before then.
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Old 13.12.2017, 09:03 PM
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well looking forward to seeing how much coverage the media gives the Moore accusers from now on.maybe I am wrong but guessing CNN will still be talking about Trumps 12 diet coke a-day habit next week but not talking about Moore.

looking on certain right-wing media it looks like Bannon will be blamed for the disaster that the republicans have just suffered but seems that Doug Jones wont be seated till January so the Republican tax bill should clear both houses before then.
all stories fade and sometimes they pop back up in the future.

yay everyone barring the rich gets screwed still, not sure why you are so keen on such things.
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Old 13.12.2017, 09:12 PM
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so Peter Strzok the senior counter intelligence officer at the FBI who led the Hillary e-mail investigation and interviewed almost all of her inner circle and found nothing wrote the following test in mid-2016 to Lisa Page a senior FBI Lawyer.

"I want to believe the path you threw out for consideration in Andy's office(Andy McCabe who was then the deputy director of the FBI) that there is no way he gets elected but I'm afraid we cant take the risk.its like an insurance policys like when your in your 40's.

Page also texted Strzok

"so look you say we can text on that phone when we talk about Hillary because it cant be traced"

and on Hillary she texted she "just has to win".
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