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Old 17.12.2018, 09:05 PM
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So Corbyn has bottled it and called a no confidence vote in Theresa May, which won't do anything if she loses, rather than in the government.
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Old 17.12.2018, 09:59 PM
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its getting to the point where May is just coming across as someone whose lost the plot, she thinks leaving the EU is bad but is determined to force leaving through even though she knows we will be worse off.
but haven't the EU themselves said this is the only deal on the table,if parliament does vote this down and they via Gina Miller wanted a say on the final deal aren't they saying that its "no deal" then.

there is no 3rd option unless the EU are lying.........
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Old 17.12.2018, 10:03 PM
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So Corbyn has bottled it and called a no confidence vote in Theresa May, which won't do anything if she loses, rather than in the government.
are we shocked.......
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Old 17.12.2018, 10:58 PM
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So Corbyn has bottled it and called a no confidence vote in Theresa May, which won't do anything if she loses, rather than in the government.
It gets worse, Labour have got this so wrong that the earliest the vote can be held is the 15th and May's calling the vote on the 14th.

Interesting interview with the Matt Hancock regarding the NHS preperations for a no deal.

Apparently he is now the largest buyer of fridges in the world.

Oh and arrangements have been made to fly in medical isotopes in the event of a now deal brexit as they can't be stored.

But hey at least we now have a six week stockpile of most drugs.

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Old 17.12.2018, 11:38 PM
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but haven't the EU themselves said this is the only deal on the table,if parliament does vote this down and they via Gina Miller wanted a say on the final deal aren't they saying that its "no deal" then.

there is no 3rd option unless the EU are lying.........

yes theres a 3rd option, the best option, we can rescind and stay in the EU and forget this awful mess.


the MPs would vote for it if they had an actual backbone, they dont, so the only option is on to a second public vote, now we know what the deal is.
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Old 18.12.2018, 08:38 AM
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its kind of amazing the the sheer amount of crazy nonsense Trump comes out with.
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Old 18.12.2018, 09:50 AM
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you know times are dark when you end up agreeing with Blair.



May keeps on with the same nonsense about people losing faith if theres another vote, despite ignoring reality and that now we have real information.


it seems the only real hope her deal has is a public vote given its status with MPs.
she is now trying to polish the deal and pretend that it will have a major impact.
Yes and no GK. Yes. We have an awful lot more information. We know that the Brexit deal won't be the "easiest in human history". We know that a lot of untruths were spouted, some by Remain, almost everything by Leave. I'm sure that they'll be quite a few Leavers that probably wouldn't vote Leave second time round.

No in-so-far as it isn't 'nonsense' that there would be a loss of faith in the democratic process. Or at least in how that process is both explained and interpreted by some people.

Day One, the point should have been hammered home that we do not live in a Democracy; we live in a Parliamentary Democracy. The ultimate decision on what this country does is, ironically, in the hands of it's sovereign Parliament. The minute the government let this 'will of the people' guff gain legitimacy we were set on this course and I think are now committed to it. Too many people out there would use this in the same way the Yellow Jackets protest or the Poll Tax riots back in the day were hi-jacked. Some people just want any excuse to go and loot their local Curry's. On top of that, sadly, quite a lot of Brexiters seem unwilling or unable to grasp just what a pup they've been sold. 5 minutes listening to James O'Brien every morning should confirm that.

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Old 18.12.2018, 05:52 PM
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Yes and no GK. Yes. We have an awful lot more information. We know that the Brexit deal won't be the "easiest in human history". We know that a lot of untruths were spouted, some by Remain, almost everything by Leave. I'm sure that they'll be quite a few Leavers that probably wouldn't vote Leave second time round.

No in-so-far as it isn't 'nonsense' that there would be a loss of faith in the democratic process. Or at least in how that process is both explained and interpreted by some people.

Day One, the point should have been hammered home that we do not live in a Democracy; we live in a Parliamentary Democracy. The ultimate decision on what this country does is, ironically, in the hands of it's sovereign Parliament. The minute the government let this 'will of the people' guff gain legitimacy we were set on this course and I think are now committed to it. Too many people out there would use this in the same way the Yellow Jackets protest or the Poll Tax riots back in the day were hi-jacked. Some people just want any excuse to go and loot their local Curry's. On top of that, sadly, quite a lot of Brexiters seem unwilling or unable to grasp just what a pup they've been sold. 5 minutes listening to James O'Brien every morning should confirm that.

oh i have no doubt that some nutters (the UKIP type. who already have some pretty questionable views, again nutters isnt the right sort of word to use but its one of the more fun options) would no doubt claim that but most reasonable people would not see it that way.


and its also why the MPs cant change it on there own despite reality.


but how could anyone really claim they are ignoring the will of the people by asking the people now we know what the deal is.



i agree they should of nailed that home, just another huge error from the toxic moron Dave.
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Old 18.12.2018, 07:30 PM
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yes theres a 3rd option, the best option, we can rescind and stay in the EU and forget this awful mess.
think even the European court said "yes" we could just pretend that we never triggered article 50 and stay in but even they said that a 2nd vote would have been needed to get that far and make it legal.

the government have said no 2nd vote and if the government/DUP get together then the chance of a successful no confidence vote fails so there is no election till 2022.

so yet again it come's back to May's deal Vs no deal.........and the clock is ticking.
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Old 18.12.2018, 07:57 PM
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think even the European court said "yes" we could just pretend that we never triggered article 50 and stay in but even they said that a 2nd vote would have been needed to get that far and make it legal.

the government have said no 2nd vote and if the government/DUP get together then the chance of a successful no confidence vote fails so there is no election till 2022.

so yet again it come's back to May's deal Vs no deal.........and the clock is ticking.

well if Mays deal fails its then out of her hands and a vote for a 2nd vote might have a better chance of that deal than passing.



the first vote wasnt binding.



so we can still save ourselves or go with the descent into doom.
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