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Old 16.01.2011, 11:29 AM
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I'm guessing I'm not the only person worried about the age of this team. Reed, Lewis, Birk (Especially after last night), Mason and Heap may be thinking about retiring soon. Suggs had a great season (And night) but won't last forever. Johnson's also getting old.

This leaves us with a lot of positions to fill when these guys retire. Our safeties seem decent but without Reed I have a feeling we will collapse there. The LBs have been good this year but they're aging. The WRs seem to have completely gone this year.

I was impressed with Dickson this year in both his run blocking and in the passing game. I was impressed by Stallworth this year too.

What positions should we look at to draft?
Personally, I'd rank our needs like this:
1. Linebackers
2. Cornerbacks
3. Wide receiver
4. Safety

I don't want to get more big name wide receivers. I want players who know they have to play well to get on the team. Linebacker is a serious need imo. Safety I'm fairly happy with but getting the next Ed Reed wouldn't hurt. I have a feeling next year the special teams will be the only thing between us and being very average.
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Old 16.01.2011, 11:44 AM
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Have to agree to this, tho I trust Ozzie n the guys
Would like us to go for Asomugha, but who knows whats going to happen this offseason with the CBA!
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Old 16.01.2011, 05:03 PM
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Totally agree about the age concern. I think it comes with extra problems - look at the "wide receiver solution" this year of grabbing two older guys when what we needed was a younger version of Stallworth.

I am hoping Sergio Kindle will be ready to play next year, if so he can be an extra linebacker draft. I think the biggest problem is at wide receiver - we need a young guy who can grow with Flacco now that he is starting to mature and that can make big plays. As for corners, Wilson, Carr and Webb are not bad players,and they are still young - I wonder if they are the victim of a defensive system that is built so much around the defensive line and linebackers (however little the playcalling seems to suggest).

If we have a lockout next year, just think, some of these older guys might never come back (Mason keeps retiring on me as it is at the end of the 2010 season on Madden 11!)
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Old 16.01.2011, 08:12 PM
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It's something that is going to have to happen over time.

The WR issue is a direct concern as we only have three under contract now I believe (Boldin, Mason, Reed), and one may retire. So they absolutely have to address that area this off-season. Same with CB, we've got Foxy, and Webb under contract. We need to re-sign Carr or Wilson at least, both have been playing far beyond anyone expected of them. That would give us two guys who are comfortable number 2s and a good nickel with Webb. Solid depth.

The rest of it we really need to phase over a few seasons. I think (depending on CBA, obviously) we probably get one more season of Birk, Ed and Ray, as much as I'd like to see the team get those replacements this season, the draft apparently doesn't look that great for FS and ILB, and you can't stress it for the sake of it. Maybe grab an OC if one looks good.

We need to address LT. I'm not sure how though. Oher just isn't good enough to play there in the NFL and he looked like a beast on the right side. If there was any confidence in Gaither I'd say sign him, but you just can't trust him to turn up.

We're going to be looking for a Fullback because McClain is going to want more money than we can, or should, pay him. But that can be resolved in the middle/late in the draft.

We absolutely have to keep Ngata and Yanda. Yanda is to good and versatile a lineman to let him walk out of the door. Ngata is obviously the anchor at the front of our D.

It's kind of scary to see how much talent we've had this season that is now out of contract.

As for Kindle... I don't have any expectations for him. I'd be surprised if he ever played a down in professional football.
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Old 16.01.2011, 10:23 PM
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It's something that is going to have to happen over time.

The WR issue is a direct concern as we only have three under contract now I believe (Boldin, Mason, Reed), and one may retire. So they absolutely have to address that area this off-season. Same with CB, we've got Foxy, and Webb under contract. We need to re-sign Carr or Wilson at least, both have been playing far beyond anyone expected of them. That would give us two guys who are comfortable number 2s and a good nickel with Webb. Solid depth.

The rest of it we really need to phase over a few seasons. I think (depending on CBA, obviously) we probably get one more season of Birk, Ed and Ray, as much as I'd like to see the team get those replacements this season, the draft apparently doesn't look that great for FS and ILB, and you can't stress it for the sake of it. Maybe grab an OC if one looks good.

We need to address LT. I'm not sure how though. Oher just isn't good enough to play there in the NFL and he looked like a beast on the right side. If there was any confidence in Gaither I'd say sign him, but you just can't trust him to turn up.

We're going to be looking for a Fullback because McClain is going to want more money than we can, or should, pay him. But that can be resolved in the middle/late in the draft.

We absolutely have to keep Ngata and Yanda. Yanda is to good and versatile a lineman to let him walk out of the door. Ngata is obviously the anchor at the front of our D.

It's kind of scary to see how much talent we've had this season that is now out of contract.

As for Kindle... I don't have any expectations for him. I'd be surprised if he ever played a down in professional football.
McClain's a very good player and we have no other fullbacks unless Harbaugh wants to experiment with one of the young tight ends, wouldn't want to see him go.
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Old 16.01.2011, 10:46 PM
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McClain's a very good player and we have no other fullbacks unless Harbaugh wants to experiment with one of the young tight ends, wouldn't want to see him go.
We'll draft one. Remember we got McClain as a fourth round pick. Fullbacks are fairly expendable in the grand scheme of things and you don't pay them top whack. Ovie Mughelli was a really good player for us and we let him go with no issues because Atl were willing to pay much more than we wanted to for a FB. Also bear in mind that McClain wants to do more as a RB rather than just a lead blocker, which will factor into his expectations as far as wages. He's not going to get as many carries in Baltimore with Rice becoming a feature back.

As of right now, with no CBA in place, it's hard to predict... but we've got much more important cogs like Yanda, Ngata, Grubbs, one of either Wilson or Carr... to sign. You don't pay over the odds for a FB, even if he's as diverse as McClain. (those are off the top of my head, not sure how many are UFAs). and we've also got to do something about positions that could be vacated should we not wish to keep incumbents, such as SS (Landry).

Hell, Koch and Cundiff are UFAs and the field position we've enjoyed with them has been vital.

Don't get me wrong, I really like McClain. His run in Dallas is etched into my brain. But to the team he's not worth the money he'd cost to keep for the role he'd play.

Edit: It's also the reason I don't see us going after Asomugha. He's going to get top corner money on the free market, bear in mind if we want to keep Ngata he's going to get top DT money... and since Haynesworth's deal that's not cheap. Okay that was an aberration, but Ngata is going to get big money. Secondly Aso is 30 before the next season. We need to be getting younger on defence, and I don't think he fits that.

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Old 17.01.2011, 10:40 AM
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I totally agree with regards to Asomugha, He is going to want silly money that we need to spend on Ngata. Also i may feel differently if he was in his 20's but like you say we will still be looking for a young CB.

As much as we all love Ray Lewis he is getting to old to play at this level, He just cant move the way he used to And we need to bring in a young LB for him to train before he retires. I really want Kindle to play and do well but if he has to sit out anymore he will never play again.

WR is also another concern, I think Mason will retire, If not this year then definately next. Boldin has been very good for us and i cant fault him, Its just a shame he has been covered so well limiting his receptions.

Reed is my main worry because IMO we would not have made the playoffs this year without him, The Plays he made were the difference in some already close games. If he retires this off season we are in serious trouble.

To be honest i think this was our year to get that ring for our Vets, And i think deep down they know it aswell. We need to concentrate now on developing a young team to try again for the Bowl in a few years. Its development time whilst we still have a few of our vets to pass on there knowledge.
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Old 17.01.2011, 02:58 PM
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There's a lot of this "that was the last chance" sort of talk over at the Ravens main site too at the moment. I can't help but feel it is a little bit misplaced. Let's say for arguments sake that a CBA does get agreed, there is no reason the Ravens won't be in with a better shot next year. Sure Ray Lewis probably doesn't have more than a couple of years left and Ngata is going to command silly money to stay around, but I think the whole problem with the team this year was the sense of entitlement that some players felt. Nobody is owed a superbowl ring before the end of their career and the team is still struggling from mistakes it began to make in the later years of the Billick regime (i.e. Boller was QB when most of the veterans were in their prime). I think the fact that so many players stayed on from the early noughties disguises how much of a re-build Harbaugh intended when he took over. The team is still addressing the basic problems that dog teams who are developing themselves - next year the last of these should be gone. I do feel bad for Mason, Suggs, Reed and Heap who have played astronomically well for about a decade and had a great year but nobody in the Falcons (even the vets) seem to be moaning as much as Ravens Central and they blew up just as badly if not worse.

If anything I am a little mad at the veteran defense - Ray Lewis especially - they played very badly at points this year (Buffalo, anyone?) and letting Roethlisberger burn them on a 3rd and 19 was just as problematic as Rice's fumble. Yet Lewis seems content to pin the loss to the Steelers on the offensive turnovers. The truth is, you just can't balance a team where almost everyone who isn't the QB or the RB are 30 or over and then blame them for not performing to a veteran standard in their third NFL year. How is Flacco supposed to cope when he is getting just as much pressure from his own defense as he is James Harrison and co.?
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Old 17.01.2011, 09:37 PM
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There's a lot of this "that was the last chance" sort of talk over at the Ravens main site too at the moment. I can't help but feel it is a little bit misplaced. Let's say for arguments sake that a CBA does get agreed, there is no reason the Ravens won't be in with a better shot next year. Sure Ray Lewis probably doesn't have more than a couple of years left and Ngata is going to command silly money to stay around, but I think the whole problem with the team this year was the sense of entitlement that some players felt. Nobody is owed a superbowl ring before the end of their career and the team is still struggling from mistakes it began to make in the later years of the Billick regime (i.e. Boller was QB when most of the veterans were in their prime). I think the fact that so many players stayed on from the early noughties disguises how much of a re-build Harbaugh intended when he took over. The team is still addressing the basic problems that dog teams who are developing themselves - next year the last of these should be gone. I do feel bad for Mason, Suggs, Reed and Heap who have played astronomically well for about a decade and had a great year but nobody in the Falcons (even the vets) seem to be moaning as much as Ravens Central and they blew up just as badly if not worse.

If anything I am a little mad at the veteran defense - Ray Lewis especially - they played very badly at points this year (Buffalo, anyone?) and letting Roethlisberger burn them on a 3rd and 19 was just as problematic as Rice's fumble. Yet Lewis seems content to pin the loss to the Steelers on the offensive turnovers. The truth is, you just can't balance a team where almost everyone who isn't the QB or the RB are 30 or over and then blame them for not performing to a veteran standard in their third NFL year. How is Flacco supposed to cope when he is getting just as much pressure from his own defense as he is James Harrison and co.?
It's not fair on the defense, the amount of 4th quarter leads the offense has blown. I'm confident we'll play well without the veterans. I think if McClain goes (Which seems likely now to me) we'll have to go from 2 RB to 2 TE formations a lot, I think Dickson's ready.

The biggest problem for us is beating Pittsburgh. We need to start doing things differently. Going for it on 4th and short. I remember the Ravens tried to go fake punt against Pittsburgh but a false start penalty whistled it down as it went into McClain's hands. One thing I notice is there is a huge potential for big TD passes on 4th down, especially since the Steelers are the sort of team that will try really hard to stop a short play and stuff it. I can see it now, 4th and inches, Joe flacco pass to Stallworth, 59 yard TD. Basically, we need to start changing stuff up against the Steelers.
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Old 18.01.2011, 09:15 AM
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There was only one game (Buffalo) when i was disapointed with the Defence, And after that game everyone jumped on the band wagon saying we are now an Offencive team and our D aint got it anymore. We are still a Defencive team and i dont think that will change. We will still have a strong Defence next year aslong as Reed stays. We just need to sort out the CB situation. I rate Landry so once we sort out the CB's we will be sorted, Personally i think we should sign Wilson again as i was happy with him this season.

LB is also a issue, Personaly i think we should move Johnson to MLB with Ray and if Sergio aint ready pick up a decent OLB to play opposite Suggs.
That then is our D sorted and what a D it would be, I would love to say we will try for Asomugha but it just aint going to happen, Id rather spend big on keeping Ngata.

At WR we just need a young Rookie that can go deep, Im happy with Reed and Boldin and we are sorted at TE.
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