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It doesn't matter as the only undefeated and untied team are still only 3rd best Single Season of all time behind 85 Bears and 89 49ers
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The above lists the last team to be undefeated each season, very interesting.
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The above lists the last team to be undefeated each season, very interesting.
2002 was weird.

Raiders were the last undefeated team at 4-0...then met the 0-4 Rams...and promplty lost their next 4 games...to make the last undefeated team in the NFL in 2002...playing .500 ball at midseason.

...and then won 7 of their last 8 games to win the division and go on to the Super Bowl and lose to a team that lost their first game.
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Since 1966, a little under one-half of the NFL’s (and AFL’s) last undefeated teams made it to the Super Bowl.
That's a solid stat to remember.
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It doesn't matter as the only undefeated and untied team are still only 3rd best Single Season of all time behind 85 Bears and 89 49ers
Oh, they aren't even that. There are more than 10 NFL champs with better seasons regardless of losing a few games. '84 Niners (18-1)...those Cowboys teams of the 90's...the Raiders of the 70's...the late 90's Broncos teams...who were 7-2 against their .500+ opponents....that's right, the 1998 Broncos played 9 teams with winning records...or the Redskins under Gibbs. The 1991 Redskins were 8-2 against teams with winning records....they played 10 games against +.500 clubs.

Over 14 regular season games, Dolphins beat two with winning records...and they then beat 3 in the playoffs to win the Super Bowl. The combined record of their regular-season foes was 51-86-3 (.367) - the lowest ever of any Super Bowl champion (by far).

The second-place team in the AFC East (the New York Jets) finished 7-7 in 1972. The Dolphins going through their division was a cakewalk (back then you played 8 division games in only a 14 game season - so over half the Dolphins games were against their pathetic sub .500 division rivals.)

Compare the 1989 Niners (14-2) in the NFC West that year...(Rams 11-5), Saints (9-7).

The 1998 Broncos (14-2) opponents record was .535 - the highest ever of any Super Bowl champion (so two extra games during the regular season...far better opponents and the Broncos only lost two games - both of which were to two of the nine teams they played with winning records.)

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Oh, they aren't even that. There are more than 10 NFL champs with better seasons regardless of losing a few games. '84 Niners (18-1)...those Cowboys teams of the 90's...the Raiders of the 70's...the late 90's Broncos teams...who were 7-2 against their .500+ opponents....that's right, the 1998 Broncos played 9 teams with winning records...or the Redskins under Gibbs. The 1991 Redskins were 8-2 against teams with winning records....they played 10 games against +.500 clubs.

Over 14 regular season games, Dolphins beat two with winning records...and they then beat 3 in the playoffs to win the Super Bowl. The combined record of their regular-season foes was 51-86-3 (.367) - the lowest ever of any Super Bowl champion (by far).

The second-place team in the AFC East (the New York Jets) finished 7-7 in 1972. The Dolphins going through their division was a cakewalk (back then you played 8 division games in only a 14 game season - so over half the Dolphins games were against their pathetic sub .500 division rivals.)

Compare the 1989 Niners (14-2) in the NFC West that year...(Rams 11-5), Saints (9-7).

The 1998 Broncos (14-2) opponents record was .535 - the highest ever of any Super Bowl champion (so two extra games during the regular season...far better opponents and the Broncos only lost two games - both of which were to two of the nine teams they played with winning records.)
So the real reason why someone won't probably go undefeated again...is because...the scheduling mathmatically might not allow that probability. The NFL only plays 6 division games...so you can't count on those extra two games if you were lucky enough to have a division full of weaklings. There's a reason the Dolphins have such a low opponets winning %...it's off the charts low...and out of the norm for most every other Super Bowl Champ...where it's consistently .430 - .540...and specfically...averages out to about .470.

Two extra regular season games, too few repeats against division opponents who could be gimmies that year...and the new rules with the passing game.

(Apologies if repeating anything, didn't read the OP link)

(and yes, I just quoted myself...but didn't mean it. Edit not new...)
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2002 was weird.

Raiders were the last undefeated team at 4-0...then met the 0-4 Rams...and promplty lost their next 4 games...to make the last undefeated team in the NFL in 2002...playing .500 ball at midseason.

...and then won 7 of their last 8 games to win the division and go on to the Super Bowl and lose to a team that lost their first game.
I remember watching that Raiders/Rams game in the pub actually. Despite the Raiders being 4-0 and the Rams being 0-4, I somehow had a feeling that the Rams would win. They were having a majorly disappointing season and it just seemed like the game was set up to be a trap.
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How hard was the 18-1 Patriots schedule?

Obviously it's easier if you're playing against weak opponents, but I don't imagine that year was a cakewalk for the patriots - they had the NFC East which sent 2 teams to the playoffs that year IIRC. And yet they still were within a couple of plays in the superbowl of 19-0...
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How hard was the 18-1 Patriots schedule?

Obviously it's easier if you're playing against weak opponents, but I don't imagine that year was a cakewalk for the patriots - they had the NFC East which sent 2 teams to the playoffs that year IIRC. And yet they still were within a couple of plays in the superbowl of 19-0...
The Pats SOS in 2007 was 0.469 - very slightly below average for Super Bowl Champions.
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