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Old 17.06.2019, 09:25 AM
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come one if Boris turned up on sunday it would turn into a 5 on 1 "pile on" like we see when they have the full leaders debates pre-general elections when its normally the PM Vs the rest trying to score nice sound bites so its definetly better to skip that one and wait for the next round of voting on Monday to weed out some more non-runners.

sure Rory Stewart will easily win with C4 but then be out the race a day later.
How is skipping a debate where you might get 5 people against you good prep for the Brexit renegotiation that he's apparently going to pull out of his **** once elected? As Jeremy Hunt said: "if his team won't allow him out with five fairly friendly colleagues, how is he going to deal with 27 European countries?"

Did you watch it? I thought it was mostly good natured but fairly dull. Rory Stewart was the only one that seemed to talk any sense around Brexit and you've got to wonder if the rest of them, Boris included, are either knowingly lying or completely deluded?

Raab in particular. Suspending Parliament would be pretty much unprecedented and it is bizarre to watch people who on one hand keep banging on about democracy seem so willing to do something so patently undemocratic. It'd also have to involve the Queen and I can't see Her Maj being to pleased about that. Frankly the man is a nutter. And an incompetent one at that.

Gove and Hunt looked OK but neither one could answer the Brexit questions. Javid looked a bit out of his depth to me.

So the only one of them talking realistically will probably be out of the race by Monday night.

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Old 17.06.2019, 06:23 PM
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How is skipping a debate where you might get 5 people against you good prep for the Brexit renegotiation that he's apparently going to pull out of his **** once elected? As Jeremy Hunt said: "if his team won't allow him out with five fairly friendly colleagues, how is he going to deal with 27 European countries?"

Did you watch it? I thought it was mostly good natured but fairly dull. Rory Stewart was the only one that seemed to talk any sense around Brexit and you've got to wonder if the rest of them, Boris included, are either knowingly lying or completely deluded?

Raab in particular. Suspending Parliament would be pretty much unprecedented and it is bizarre to watch people who on one hand keep banging on about democracy seem so willing to do something so patently undemocratic. It'd also have to involve the Queen and I can't see Her Maj being to pleased about that. Frankly the man is a nutter. And an incompetent one at that.

Gove and Hunt looked OK but neither one could answer the Brexit questions. Javid looked a bit out of his depth to me.

So the only one of them talking realistically will probably be out of the race by Monday night.
but yet again this debate was useless unless you are a conservative MP or a member of the party with a vote when the race is down to 2.

Boris not to flog a dead horse has nothing to gain from doing these debates as he has the support already and even gained yesterday after his no-show and the average conservative member probably doesn't watch C4 news that often(surprised they didn't have Snow "F#%k the tories" moderating the debate.

also get the feeling if you don't like Boris there is very little he could say or do to win over people so just stick to winning over MP's and people who read the Daily Mail/Telegraph.
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Old 17.06.2019, 06:28 PM
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Yes, and it seems the Conservative-run counsel last year opted out of an electoral fraud prevention initiative.

If you ask me, voting in this country is a joke. Postal votes are a definite risk, but so is the fact that you can just show up and vote without even showing ID. And why do we vote on Thursdays? Everyone else votes at the weekend. Another thing I don't get is why it takes so long to get the results in. In France, they know the results within about an hour of the polls closing: people count the votes in that polling station and it's done quickly, not at 4am on a Friday morning.
this may just be a nothing story but the fact that Tariq Mahmood keeps turning up and Labour keep saying he had nothing to do with there campaign then he keeps turning up in strange places makes you wonder.

reports that out of 10,000 postal votes over 400 where voided,is that normal or an extremely high number for a local by-election.
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Old 17.06.2019, 08:42 PM
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but yet again this debate was useless unless you are a conservative MP or a member of the party with a vote when the race is down to 2.

Boris not to flog a dead horse has nothing to gain from doing these debates as he has the support already and even gained yesterday after his no-show and the average conservative member probably doesn't watch C4 news that often(surprised they didn't have Snow "F#%k the tories" moderating the debate.

also get the feeling if you don't like Boris there is very little he could say or do to win over people so just stick to winning over MP's and people who read the Daily Mail/Telegraph.

thats called being shortsighted, whoever wins has to run the whole country, not just that tiny group.


so putting plans out into the world is a minimal show of decency.


Boris not speaking probably does help him and he is already pretty much the winner.



but acting like this just confirms the lack of backbone and that even he knows he is a gaffe machine.
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Old 18.06.2019, 08:38 AM
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thats called being shortsighted, whoever wins has to run the whole country, not just that tiny group.

so putting plans out into the world is a minimal show of decency.

Boris not speaking probably does help him and he is already pretty much the winner.

but acting like this just confirms the lack of backbone and that even he knows he is a gaffe machine.
Spot on. Boris is going to be PM barring a miracle. What are his policies? More importantly, what will he commit to? How will he Brexit before the end of October? Why does he think it necessary to offer a tax cut to well off pensioners? How will he cost it? What's his plan for everything else?

If nothing more, appearing at these things give the general public a chance to judge him. You're right, it's not the general public he needs to win over, it's the 150,000 Tory members (and less of a cross section of the general public you're unlikely to find) but that's not the point. It is both arrogant and dismissive to stay away from these things.
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Old 18.06.2019, 01:44 PM
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well theres a new You Gov poll that pretty much confirms the worst about Tory party members, that for them its party over country but its now also Brexit over country and party, which begs the question why do you even want it. but there is one thing they would make them not want Brexit, they would cancel it to not have Corbyn being PM.



they prefer Brexit to keeping the union in tact.
they want Brexit even if it does create significant damage to the the economy.
and 46% would be happy to have Nigel as leader.



these arent the thoughts of a sane bunch of people and they get to elect our new PM.



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Old 18.06.2019, 02:01 PM
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Its a good thing in a way. How can the Conservatives remain a party if people within that party are so fundamentally divided over something like whether we should or should not stay part of the EU? Lets not forget that there wasn't such a thing as the Conservative Party before 1910 or so, they have no more a divine right to remain relevant than the Whigs or Social Democrats.

Being honest I think they should collapse under the weight of their own absurdity. Lets be done with them. What is todays Conservative Party anyway? 150,000 odd old, white, rich men with a load of Old Etonian millionaires in charge? How does that represent the 66 million people that actually live here?

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Old 18.06.2019, 02:16 PM
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Its a good thing in a way. How can the Conservatives remain a party if people within that party are so fundamentally divided over something like whether we should or should not stay part of the EU? Lets not forget that there wasn't such a thing as the Conservative Party before 1910 or so, they have no more a divine right to remain relevant than the Whigs or Social Democrats.

Being honest I think they should collapse under the weight of their own absurdity. Lets be done with them. What is todays Conservative Party anyway? 150,000 odd old, white, rich men with a load of Old Etonian millionaires in charge? How does that represent the 66 million people that actually live here?

it would be good if those votes would go in the direction, rather than towards the darkness.



also the damage they can do at the moment will be long lasting.
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Old 18.06.2019, 05:10 PM
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so the least worst option, Rory makes it though.



hopefully Boris takes some shots tonight.
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Old 18.06.2019, 06:15 PM
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well theres a new You Gov poll that pretty much confirms the worst about Tory party members, that for them its party over country but its now also Brexit over country and party, which begs the question why do you even want it. but there is one thing they would make them not want Brexit, they would cancel it to not have Corbyn being PM.



they prefer Brexit to keeping the union in tact.
they want Brexit even if it does create significant damage to the the economy.
and 46% would be happy to have Nigel as leader.



these arent the thoughts of a sane bunch of people and they get to elect our new PM.



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hence all these debates are a waste of time,the conservative members already know who they want and don't need to hear much apart from getting Brexit full filled regardless.
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