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Old 24.09.2012, 11:00 PM
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Who is the likely number 1 draft pick ??
I'd trade it, we don't need Barkley Honestly though, our first-round pick better go towards picking a monster pass rusher or cornerback. Our defence is shambolic at best. This week our offence was pretty crap in the second half too.
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Old 25.09.2012, 10:29 PM
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Thats' what I'm thinking - to be honest I thought after all the mud slung at them they would be firing on all cylinders but they seem to have gotten worse.
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Old 26.09.2012, 12:01 PM
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I'd trade it, we don't need Barkley Honestly though, our first-round pick better go towards picking a monster pass rusher or cornerback. Our defence is shambolic at best. This week our offence was pretty crap in the second half too.
You know, I read this yesterday and I've been trying to thrash out a thought / gut-reaction / nagging feeling since then, so bear with me if this doesn't make a lot of sense but..... If we get the Number 1 pick in the draft, why don't we want Barkley?

The obvious reaction is because we've got Brees, but in a league built on "What have you done for me latley?", maybe someone should put that question to him? Let's look at what he's done for us since we gave him $100M - 7 TDs, 5 INT's and a completion percentage of 54.7, his worst ever ration including his rookie year. Let's compare these stats to a few other QB's around...

Joe Flacco: 6TD, 2INT, 64.5 PCT
Matt Ryan: 8 TD, 1INT, 72.0PCT
Matt Schaub: 5 TD, 1INT, 65.5 PCT

And these gentlemen are winning games for their teams, while interceptions are killing ours.

Let's look at the case for taking (as a purely hypotetical example) Barkley if we got the number 1 pick:

The money - $100M could go a long way to securing a decent pass rush, a decent CB and maybe someone to help stop the run, while we'd be paying Barkley rookie money.

Health / Age - Brees has already had one major injury / surgery run that lead to one team cutting him and only 2 others being interested in picking him up. At 33 he's in to the later part of his career, chances are this contract will be his last and where do we go after that? Chase Daniel? Somehow I don't see him being a long-term replacement, and if we're going to have a lousy season shouldn't we be looking to use what it brings us to set us up long-term and nail on the franchise QB for the next ten or fifteen years?

Value - We're way down in terms of draft picks and we have some huge holes that need filling. Let's look at what the Raiders gave up for Carson Palmer and crank that up 25% for what we would get in trade value for Brees from a team desperate for a QB now, not one for the next fifteen seasons.

Heart - I'm starting to question Brees'. There, I said it. This off-season he proved he's as much about the money as any other player or any of the evil owners the public thought were clinging on to the purse-strings. He's also hardly been a vocal leader in SP's absence.

I'm not saying it would be the answer to all of our prayers, and we are only a few weeks in to the season but if things keep going the way the are, if we don't make the play-offs, if we finish less than breaking even let alone getting the number 1 pick, it'd be crazy to think Mr's Loomis, Payton, Vitt and Benson won't be having a conversation along these lines....

Just food for thought, I guess.
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Old 26.09.2012, 12:36 PM
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I aired the view somewhere else during his contract holdout saying if we "hypothetically"
could do a deal swapping Brees for Locker, maybe get a couple of picks as well, then
I would be pretty chuffed.
I'm not throwing him under a bus and I know what he has done for the Franchise, but
with him taking up 20% of the cap we are going to be left with average players across
the squad. He can't do it all himself although it does look like he tries to sometimes
with disaterous results, like in Carolina.

Against the Chiefs we failed to make a single passing 1st down in the 4th Qtr and OT.
That may be down to a number of factors, I didn't see the game, but even so it's
pretty poor. The D may be getting all the heat but it can't be denied that the O has
plenty of questions.



Carmichael seems to use a fraction of the playbook that Payton did and besides the
opening drive , it's almost as if the O has been shut down, not just by the opposition
but by the play calling. Maybe the opposing DC's have got wise to the Saints O
and have taken away a lot of his reads, but it just seems almost like we are
tanking the season deliberately.I made a joke about that on another thread, but
I'm beginning to believe it.

or maybe it's just the dodgy refs
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Old 30.09.2012, 11:40 AM
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I don't know why, but I have this feeling that we're gonna beat the Packers in Lambeau tonight. Don't have much of a basis, except that we'll win the shootout.
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Old 05.10.2012, 10:47 AM
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i think its unfair to fully blame Brees, we have lost half our coaching staff due to bounty gate remember and we had no first and second round picks in the draft. and you guys must have seen how our o-line and defense have been playing too.

I just dont think we can thrown the blame solely on Brees
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