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Old 02.05.2016, 11:13 PM
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An interesting thought on the Zeke pick at 4. In the last 7 drafts the 4th overall pick has been used on 3 OT's, 3 WR's, and now a RB. So one way of deeming whether the Cowboys made the right move years from now will be to compare the production of those skill position players, A.J.Green (2011), Sammy Watkins (2014), Amari Cooper (2015), and Ezekiel Elliott (2016).

Here's the rookie production of Green, Watkins and Cooper:

A.J.Green - 15 games, 1,057 yards, 7 TD's. (53 rushing yards 0 TD's)
Sammy Watkins - 16 games, 982 yards, 6 TD's. (8 rushing yards 0 TD's)
Amari Cooper - 16 games, 1070 yards, 6 TD's. (-3 rushing yards 0 TD's)

So 1,033 yards and 6 TD's for Zeke as a rookie would be in keeping with those numbers.
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An interesting thought on the Zeke pick at 4. In the last 7 drafts the 4th overall pick has been used on 3 OT's, 3 WR's, and now a RB. So one way of deeming whether the Cowboys made the right move years from now will be to compare the production of those skill position players, A.J.Green (2011), Sammy Watkins (2014), Amari Cooper (2015), and Ezekiel Elliott (2016).

Here's the rookie production of Green, Watkins and Cooper:

A.J.Green - 15 games, 1,057 yards, 7 TD's. (53 rushing yards 0 TD's)
Sammy Watkins - 16 games, 982 yards, 6 TD's. (8 rushing yards 0 TD's)
Amari Cooper - 16 games, 1070 yards, 6 TD's. (-3 rushing yards 0 TD's)

So 1,033 yards and 6 TD's for Zeke as a rookie would be in keeping with those numbers.

But if we had picked a RB in the second or 3rd round we may well have got similar production and been able to use #4 on another position. We need to put together an alternative draft i.e. Ramsey/Henry or Lynch/Henry and a few years down the line compare this with Elliot/Smith.
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Old 03.05.2016, 11:51 AM
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Listening to some podcasts this morning, a lot of negative reaction to our selections. Mel Kiper when talking about teams that he was not impressed with the way they drafted mentioned the Cowboys first.

Interesting as well over on Cowboys draft show that some teams thought Jaylon Smith had only a 20% chance of playing again!

Bryan Broadus had our 3rd and 4th round picks a round later in his mocks.
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Old 03.05.2016, 12:22 PM
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Drafted players likely roles imo:

1.4 Ezekiel Elliott, RB. Ohio State - Starter
2.3 Jaylon Smith, LB. Notre Dame - IR
3.4 Maliek Collins, DT. Nebraska - DT rotation
4.3 Charles Tapper, DE. Oklahoma - DE Rotation
4.37 Dak Prescott, QB. Mississippi State - Backup
6.14 Anthony Brown, CB. Purdue - Nickel & Dime packages, ST
6.37 Kavon Fraizer, S. Central Michigan - See above
6.41 Darius Jackson, RB. Eastern Michigan - ST
6.42 Rico Gaithers, PF. Baylor - Lots of Coaching
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Drafted players likely roles imo:

1.4 Ezekiel Elliott, RB. Ohio State - Starter
2.3 Jaylon Smith, LB. Notre Dame - IR
3.4 Maliek Collins, DT. Nebraska - DT rotation
4.3 Charles Tapper, DE. Oklahoma - DE Rotation
4.37 Dak Prescott, QB. Mississippi State - Backup
6.14 Anthony Brown, CB. Purdue - Nickel & Dime packages, ST
6.37 Kavon Fraizer, S. Central Michigan - See above
6.41 Darius Jackson, RB. Eastern Michigan - ST
6.42 Rico Gaithers, PF. Baylor - Lots of Coaching
Hopefully that's right. Elliott needs to be getting 20 touches a game by week 8. Smith isn't going to see the field as you point out. The more snaps Collins and taper see the better.
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But if we had picked a RB in the second or 3rd round we may well have got similar production and been able to use #4 on another position. We need to put together an alternative draft i.e. Ramsey/Henry or Lynch/Henry and a few years down the line compare this with Elliot/Smith.
Alternative draft (all available when Dallas were on the clock):

1.4 Jalen Ramsey, CB, Jaguars
2.3 Noah Spence, DE, Buccaneers
3.4 Andrew Billings, DT, Bengals
4.3 Devontae Booker, RB, Broncos
4.37 Quinton Jefferson, DT, Seahawks
6.14 Jeff Driskel, QB, 49ers
6.37 Elandon Roberts, LB, Patriots
6.41 Jeremy Cash, S, Panthers
6.42 Kenny Lawler, WR, Seahawks

Tried to go with players in a similar system to the Cowboys. No point drafting guys that went to teams that run a 3-4 D and will be used in ways that they wouldn't have in Dallas. Had Jarran Reed in round 2 and Shilique Calhoun in round 3 originally, but the Raiders play a 34 D front more than Tampa.

Addressed similar needs but with different players and in different ways.
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Alternative draft (all available when Dallas were on the clock):

1.4 Jalen Ramsey, CB, Jaguars
2.3 Noah Spence, DE, Buccaneers
3.4 Andrew Billings, DT, Bengals
4.3 Devontae Booker, RB, Broncos
4.37 Quinton Jefferson, DT, Seahawks
6.14 Jeff Driskel, QB, 49ers
6.37 Elandon Roberts, LB, Patriots
6.41 Jeremy Cash, S, Panthers
6.42 Kenny Lawler, WR, Seahawks

Tried to go with players in a similar system to the Cowboys. No point drafting guys that went to teams that run a 3-4 D and will be used in ways that they wouldn't have in Dallas. Had Jarran Reed in round 2 and Shilique Calhoun in round 3 originally, but the Raiders play a 34 D front more than Tampa.

Addressed similar needs but with different players and in different ways.
Heard some positives about Driskel how does he stack up compared with Prescott?
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Heard some positives about Driskel how does he stack up compared with Prescott?
6'4 234lbs. From a height/weight/speed point of view he's ideal. He was ranked as the no.1 'Pro Style' QB coming out of High School in 2011, and the 32nd ranked prospect overall that year too. he had a good year in 2013 with Florida, but broke his leg in 2014, then for one reasons or another fell to the wayside.

He transferred to Louisiana Tech last season in an attempt to get his career back on track, which he did with over 4000 yards and 27 TD's. Louisiana Tech's offence was a spread system though, so he played a lot of shotgun and simple reads.

All that stuff is out there in scouting reports though. The basic theory is he has the physical tools of a prototypical NFL QB. He's a genuine good guy and team leader by all accounts, but it seems he was unlucky with injury and circumstances.

So he matches up to Prescott in the leadership stakes, but Driskel doesn't have a recent DUI unlike Prescott. He's taller and faster than Prescott. They both played out of the shotgun predominantly in 2015, but Driskel at least has some 'Pro Style' experience from earlier in his career. Accuracy is an issue at times for both.

So both are projects. Both are pretty clean off the field. Both need some work. If you are going off measurable alone Driskel comes out on top.
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6'4 234lbs. From a height/weight/speed point of view he's ideal. He was ranked as the no.1 'Pro Style' QB coming out of High School in 2011, and the 32nd ranked prospect overall that year too. he had a good year in 2013 with Florida, but broke his leg in 2014, then for one reasons or another fell to the wayside.

He transferred to Louisiana Tech last season in an attempt to get his career back on track, which he did with over 4000 yards and 27 TD's. Louisiana Tech's offence was a spread system though, so he played a lot of shotgun and simple reads.

All that stuff is out there in scouting reports though. The basic theory is he has the physical tools of a prototypical NFL QB. He's a genuine good guy and team leader by all accounts, but it seems he was unlucky with injury and circumstances.

So he matches up to Prescott in the leadership stakes, but Driskel doesn't have a recent DUI unlike Prescott. He's taller and faster than Prescott. They both played out of the shotgun predominantly in 2015, but Driskel at least has some 'Pro Style' experience from earlier in his career. Accuracy is an issue at times for both.

So both are projects. Both are pretty clean off the field. Both need some work. If you are going off measurable alone Driskel comes out on top.
The more I look into our draft the more I'm beginning to hate it! Looks a good pick for the49ers

Richard, I don't think it will happen but just say 2016 is a repeat of 2015 and not only is JG fired but also RM. If a new HC came in and wanted to bring his own schemes would the Cowboys based on their draft and free agency be able to switch back to a 3-4 if that was the choice of the new head coach or would that not be realistic
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The more I look into our draft the more I'm beginning to hate it! Looks a good pick for the49ers

Richard, I don't think it will happen but just say 2016 is a repeat of 2015 and not only is JG fired but also RM. If a new HC came in and wanted to bring his own schemes would the Cowboys based on their draft and free agency be able to switch back to a 3-4 if that was the choice of the new head coach or would that not be realistic
Usually it takes time to transition from 43 to 34. Chicago are the latest example that I think of. They drafted Eddie Goldman, DT, in rd 2 last year, then Leonard Floyd, OLB, and Jon Bullard, DE, in rounds 1 and 3 this year. They added pieces last off season and this too.

When Bill Parcells became the Cowboys HC he wanted to run a 34, but iirc he had to wait until his first draft class and off season to start the transition. They added Demarcus Ware (11th overall) as a OLB/pass rusher and Marcus Spears (20th overall) as a 5 tech DE. Parcells actually wanted Spears at 11, thankfully he was convinced otherwise (by Bryan Broaddus perhaps). he brought in Jason Ferguson to play the NT too.

Anyway, to run a 34 you need that NT. A 320lb run stuffer, ala Vince Wilfork. We don't have one of them, and they are hard to find. We have plenty of pieces to play DE if needs be, Tyrone Crawford, David Irving, Cedric Thornton, and Charles Tapper now too. Gregory, Lawrence and Mayowa can probably transition to OLB in time. You could try Maliek Collins at NT but he'd need to bulk up I think, and you'd have to scheme for him. Jay Ratliff used to play NT in the Cowboys 34, he was undersized, but they schemed to his strengths.

At inside linebacker McClain is a good fit due to his size, but he's year to year it seems. Lee could play the WILB but they wanted to protect him from blockers with his move to WILL in the 43, playing inside in a 34 is tough sledding. Jaylon Smith can play 34 or 43, he can play WILB or WOLB. Not sure where a 34 leaves Hitchens, Wilson and Nzeocha.

So although they have some pieces in the front 7 they'd have to add another OLB, another ILB maybe, they'd have to find a true 34 NT, and another 34 DE too. That's either a good Free Agency and Draft or 2 Draft's to feel like you have the right pieces in place.

If RM left I think Matt Eberflus (Passing Game Co-ordinator and LB Coach) would take over and keep the same scheme in place. I think he's being groomed for that role. Obviously if JG left too it could result in a complete overhaul of everything.
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