All time Cowboy team

[Lonestar1963]

Originally Posted by RichardCunliffe

Darren Woodson is your Strong Safety. To replace him at CB, the Cowboys All time leaders in INT's are Mel Renfro (52) or Everson Walls (44)? Renfro went to 10 Pro Bowls (back when they meant something).

The DT's pick themselves. The DE's? There are plenty but it's tough to argue against the 2 you have.

People won't agree with me, but i'd stick Sean Lee in that empty LB spot. His injuries are impossible to ignore, but when he's healthy he's immense, so good at reading the game. It's tough for me to say I've watched a better Cowboys LB over the last 25 years.

I'd go with Tyron and Zack at LT & RG. If they stay healthy (perhaps a big IF in Tyron's case) then they will match up to any O lineman (a ring or two would help matters too). These things are tough because active players always suffer, time works in most players favour.

Bob Hayes at WR2? An Olympic 100m gold medallist who could catch? Yes please.

McBriar has the edge over Chris Jones as it stands at P.....or put Danny White in there, he might only have the 2nd most punting yards in Cowboys history (24,000) but he threw for almost 22,000 yards too!

Good one but i think i might move Williams to LT for Rayfield Wright at RT

[RichardCunliffe]

Originally Posted by wayne ellis

Jets All-Time team

OFFENSE

LT-D'Brickashaw Ferguson
LG-Randy Thomas
C-Nick Mangold
RG-Alan Faneca
RT-Winston Hill
QB-Joe Namath
RB-Curtis Martin
FB-Tony Richardson
WR-Don Maynard
WR-Wesley Walker
TE-Mickey Shuler

DEFENSE

RDE-John Abraham
DT-Joe Klecko
DT-Marty Lyons
LDE-Mark Gastineau
LB-Mo Lewis
LB-David Harris
LB-Larry Grantham
CB-Darrelle Revis
CB-Aaron Glenn
FS-Erik McMillan
SS-Victor Green
K-Pat Leahy
P-Sean Weatherford

HONOURABLE MENTIONS

Ken O'Brien
Vinny Testaverde
Freeman McNeil
Emerson Boozer
Jumbo Elliott
Kevin Mawae
Al Toon
Keyshawn Johnson
Shaun Ellis
Mo Wilkerson
Damon Harrison
Lance Mehl
Kyle Clifton
Marvin Jones
James Hasty
Kerry Rhodes

I don't know how, but I never realised (or had forgotten) that Randy Thomas started out life as a Jet. How come he ended up moving on to the Redskins?

Originally Posted by Lonestar1963

Good one but i think i might move Williams to LT for Rayfield Wright at RT

Depends how much weight you put in keeping players at 'their' position, but no one would argue with having a HoF RT in there and shifting Williams to LT.

[Lonestar1963]

Williams played LT in college so i,m happy to have him there, i,m struggling to find anyone better in that pos, certainly not Floz Adams. Forgot Williams actually stepped in at RT for Nate Newton at RT who moved to LG.

[Lonestar1963]

I,m a big fan of Kevin Gogan too, he was unlucky trying to get a spot in the O Line at the time, "Big Nasty" was as tough as they come.

[RichardCunliffe]

In the end we might not be giving Travis Frederick enough credit either. Stepnoski was great, and typifies what a Center was/is to me, but if Smith and Martin are in the discussion then Frederick should be too. Step probably has the edge now, but 4 or 5 years from now it might be viewed differently. He's one of the top Centers in the league year in, year out.

[andrewd71]

How's about this lot:

Offense:
RT Erik Williams
RG Larry Allen
C Mark Stepnoski
LG Nate Newton
LT Mark Tuinei
QB Roger Staubach (who else?)
RB Tony Dorsett
FB Daryl Johnston
TE Jason Witten
WR Michael Irvin
WR Bob Hayes

Defense (4-3)
DE Charles Haley
DT Randy White
DT Bob Lilly
DE DeMarcus Ware
LB Chuck Howley
LB Leroy Jordan
LB Sean Lee
FS Cliff Harris
SS Darren Woodson
CB Mel Renfro
CB Deion Sanders

K Dan Bailey
P Danny White (and 3rd QB as Troy would be backing up Staubach)

The offensive line was selected as a unit, I'm not sure if this 5 actually took the field together but they are all from the same era. The right side of Allen and Williams would be impregnable. I found the linebacker positions the thinnest to pick from. Honorable mentions to Troy Aikman, Emmitt Smith, Drew Pearson, Tyron Smith, Rayfield Wright, Harvey Martin and Charlie Waters.

[Lonestar1963]

Originally Posted by andrewd71

How's about this lot:

Offense:
RT Erik Williams
RG Larry Allen
C Mark Stepnoski
LG Nate Newton
LT Mark Tuinei
QB Roger Staubach (who else?)
RB Tony Dorsett
FB Daryl Johnston
TE Jason Witten
WR Michael Irvin
WR Bob Hayes

Defense (4-3)
DE Charles Haley
DT Randy White
DT Bob Lilly
DE DeMarcus Ware
LB Chuck Howley
LB Leroy Jordan
LB Sean Lee
FS Cliff Harris
SS Darren Woodson
CB Mel Renfro
CB Deion Sanders

K Dan Bailey
P Danny White (and 3rd QB as Troy would be backing up Staubach)

The offensive line was selected as a unit, I'm not sure if this 5 actually took the field together but they are all from the same era. The right side of Allen and Williams would be impregnable. I found the linebacker positions the thinnest to pick from. Honorable mentions to Troy Aikman, Emmitt Smith, Drew Pearson, Tyron Smith, Rayfield Wright, Harvey Martin and Charlie Waters.

Like it but would still go Emmitt Smith.Tuinei was good but i wouldnt drop him in at LT

[andrewd71]

Originally Posted by Lonestar1963

Like it but would still go Emmitt Smith.Tuinei was good but i wouldnt drop him in at LT

The Dorsett pick shows my age (and I have a Dorsett jersey!) but I think with his speed he had more big plays in him than Smith and behind that line he'd have all day to pick a hole to run through. Agree with the Tuinei comment, but as I said I went with a unit rather than individuals.

Maybe move Allen to LG and bring in Zack Martin at RG and Tyron Smith at LT if you were going for the best at the position?

[RichardCunliffe]

Originally Posted by andrewd71

How's about this lot:

Offense:
RT Erik Williams
RG Larry Allen
C Mark Stepnoski
LG Nate Newton
LT Mark Tuinei
QB Roger Staubach (who else?)
RB Tony Dorsett
FB Daryl Johnston
TE Jason Witten
WR Michael Irvin
WR Bob Hayes

Defense (4-3)
DE Charles Haley
DT Randy White
DT Bob Lilly
DE DeMarcus Ware
LB Chuck Howley
LB Leroy Jordan
LB Sean Lee
FS Cliff Harris
SS Darren Woodson
CB Mel Renfro
CB Deion Sanders

K Dan Bailey
P Danny White (and 3rd QB as Troy would be backing up Staubach)

The offensive line was selected as a unit, I'm not sure if this 5 actually took the field together but they are all from the same era. The right side of Allen and Williams would be impregnable. I found the linebacker positions the thinnest to pick from. Honorable mentions to Troy Aikman, Emmitt Smith, Drew Pearson, Tyron Smith, Rayfield Wright, Harvey Martin and Charlie Waters.

Looks good, I like keeping the Great Wall together as a unit. That said, Tuinei had the longevity and was a good player in his own right, but Tyron Smith is more talented. Same goes with Zack Martin.

Originally Posted by andrewd71

The Dorsett pick shows my age (and I have a Dorsett jersey!) but I think with his speed he had more big plays in him than Smith and behind that line he'd have all day to pick a hole to run through. Agree with the Tuinei comment, but as I said I went with a unit rather than individuals.

Maybe move Allen to LG and bring in Zack Martin at RG and Tyron Smith at LT if you were going for the best at the position?

As above, on pure talent alone Smith and Martin probably find a way in.

Don't think you can go wrong with Dorsett or Smith.

I missed Dorsett in his prime (pretty much missed him altogether really if i'm honest, Herschel Walker kind of stole the limelight).

[RichardCunliffe]

I know he's a 49er really, but where would T,O fit into all this?

In 3 seasons he had 3 straight 1,000+ yard seasons in Dallas and 38 TD's.