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Old 02.01.2014, 09:38 AM
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Greg Hardy knows he made a big impact with his late-season flurry of sacks. The Panthers' defensive end will become an unrestricted free agent in March and is set up for one healthy pay day.

Hardy had eight sacks in his final three games and tied a Carolina franchise-record with 15 sacks this season. He had 24 sacks in his last 25 games. Four of those sacks came Sunday against Atlanta, helping the Panthers (12-4) win the NFC South and a first-round bye with a 21-20 victory.

He wants to sign a long-term deal with Carolina, but is fine if the team uses the franchise tag on him. Franchise tag numbers haven't been released for 2014, but last year it was $11.175 million for his position.

''I would love a franchise (tag), man,'' Hardy said. ''Add another year on my career. ... Another year to be in Carolina just to get them a chance to get their fiscal responsibilities in order so we can be here forever like Steve (Smith) and a lot of other guys. One year to get the bank right,'' he added. ''One year to get the team right. Another championship.''

Hardy said he loves living in Charlotte. But even more than that he enjoys playing for coach Ron Rivera, who gave him a chance to start in 2011 after a motorcycle accident left Hardy with burns on his body and out for most of the preseason.

''That's the guy that gave me a starting position when I couldn't even walk,'' Hardy said. ''So that's my guy. This organization has always had my back when nobody wanted to take a chance on me in the draft.''

The former sixth-round draft pick out of Mississippi said if talk turns to a long-term contract he's willing to give the Panthers a hometown discount. But he would want ''a big number that I worked for. Nothing imaginary.''

The 25-year-old Hardy has played for the NFL league minimum the last four seasons.

''I want to be compensated and get what I deserve,'' he said.
Interesting quotes. Can't knock the man for wanting to get paid, but it's hardly the team first attitude you'd like to see. A lot probably depends on the post season with regards to what someone like Hardy gets paid, though the number is ultimately going to be pretty high regardless.

Cam can have an extension negotiated after this season (13/14), though we can keep him another 2 years minimum, then tag him if needed. Charles Johnson got 6 years $76mil in 2011.

The cap for 2014 is set at about $126mil. The Panthers have a cap number for 2014 of about $118m ($106m on 40 players, $12m in dead money). So what will the Panthers do with Hardy?
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Old 02.01.2014, 01:09 PM
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Interesting quotes. Can't knock the man for wanting to get paid, but it's hardly the team first attitude you'd like to see. A lot probably depends on the post season with regards to what someone like Hardy gets paid, though the number is ultimately going to be pretty high regardless.

Cam can have an extension negotiated after this season (13/14), though we can keep him another 2 years minimum, then tag him if needed. Charles Johnson got 6 years $76mil in 2011.

The cap for 2014 is set at about $126mil. The Panthers have a cap number for 2014 of about $118m ($106m on 40 players, $12m in dead money). So what will the Panthers do with Hardy?
Maybe tag him this year and pay him big bucks next year?

Hope we keep this guy, we need big mean nasty guys on the D, Hardy and Mitchell are just that.
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Old 03.01.2014, 09:15 AM
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I must say, Mitchell has impressed me this season. I was never a fan when he was in Oakland, but he's been doing well. I still think we need an elite safety, strong or free, but that's not top of the list right now.

I think to sign Hardy, or even tag him if the hit is $11m or so, a few things probably have to happen.

Charles Johnson probably has to restructure his contract. His cap hit is $16m next season, so we could probably shift $2/$3m of that perhaps and knock it back a year or 2. Deangelo Williams also could do the same. His cap hit is $6m and $6.3m next 2 years, but $2m the 2 seasons after that, so another who could potentially knock some money back and free up room, though he has restructured his deal already. We probably can't do much with Stewart.

Jordan Gross will technically be a free agent once this season ends, so we will need a left tackle, or to bring him back at a price we can afford.

Charles Godfrey will either have to take a very team friendly restructure, or he will most likely get cut.
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I think the only realistic option is to tag him and, like you said, even that's not ideal.

Obviously the priority is getting Cam signed up for the rest of his natural life, but I'd be gutted if we lost Hardy.
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Cam isn't too much of a pressing concern, but only because the club has leverage with him at the moment. It would certainly be nice to reward his play, but ultimately he earns $2.3m this year and $3.3m next year. With how our salary structure looks right now, and where a lot of our money is tied up on the roster, those numbers are very positive for the Panthers. Cam will get paid, and his deal will be long enough to mould it around our salary cap needs, with large and small paying years mixed in. Ultimately probably looking at 6ish years, $100m, probably a bit north of that, especially if he wins a playoff game or 2, or 3! (hopefully)

This is a great piece from Spotrac, a site that specialises in cap and contract numbers. Don't even have to read it all, has some easy to see comparisons against other 4-3 DE's.

http://www.spotrac.com/premium/resea...reg-hardy-370/

I'm addicted to that website, what a nerd! haha
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Anyone see Hardy yesterday? I heard he was playing but never saw him.

6 tackles, no sacks, no pressure either. That's a good bargaining chip for the Panthers when we sit down and negotiate with him at the end of the season.
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Anyone see Hardy yesterday? I heard he was playing but never saw him.

6 tackles, no sacks, no pressure either. That's a good bargaining chip for the Panthers when we sit down and negotiate with him at the end of the season.
i was looking at your schedule earlier today. he has played well this year but he's been able to beat up some poor OLs. his talent is there and he's certainly worth keeping. not the finished product yet though - who is, of course?
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I think the team should only re-sign Greg Hardy if it comes at a 'fair' price for both parties. The guy wants his big pay day, and with how he's played the last two seasons I cannot blame him for that. But at the same time, it is like Gettleman said in his end of season press conference - this team is salary cap challenged.

So the issue here is can the Panthers sign Hardy to a long term contract without adding to this problem?

If the answer to that is yes, then I believe Gettleman will get the deal done. However, he also indicated in his end of season press conference that even the best teams at times let big dogs go when it is not in the team's best interest to keep them. If Hardy's deal is that excessive that it hurts the team, I don't think he'll do it. That being said, I hope that we can keep him.

As for the salary cap issues. Hopefully Gettleman can re-sign Mitchell, and fingers crossed, Gross comes back for at least one more season. Last thing this team needs is to be trying to sort out the left tackle position when the right side of the O-Line needs work.

There are two moves I would make, if they could be done without a serious cap hit. They'd hurt me because I love both players for what they've done for this team, but I would cut D-Will and Jonathan Stewart, and draft a young RB. D-Will has had an ok season, but for the money he's getting paid, I don't believe he will last too much longer without taking a substantial pay cut. Same goes for Stewart. If the guy can't get healthy and stay healthy, he won't last much longer either. So if it was possible I would cut both guys this off season, or look to see if either have any trade value (unlikely), and move on to a young guy. But I think the way both guy's contracts are set up it would be a hefty hit...
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I would love Hardy to stay but if not possible I would tag him and then make a trade. Don't think we will cut Stewart due the dead money it will bring and it will hurt our cap in the future however I think we will save money if we make DeAngelo a June 1st cut. Oh and make Godfrey a june 1st cut as well
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What good would cutting deangelo do? Then we'd be left with a useless bloke who's injured all the time and tolbert who is fine on 3rd downs and in the Redzone.
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