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Old 09.04.2011, 10:23 AM
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Some of you may have seen that we have been running our own community mock on the draft forum. I was the Bengals GM, and came up with this:

1 (4) Nick Fairley, DT, Auburn.
2 (35) Ryan Mallett, QB, Arkansas.
2 (46- sent picks 65 and 100 to Denver)- Rahim Moore, FS, UCLA.
5 (131) Owen Marecic, FB, Stanford.
6 (162) Ryan Winterswyk, DE, Boise State.
7 (195) Mario Fannin, RB, Auburn.

I like the value I got for each pick, and think I was able to address some needs. We got a DT who can come in and start from day 1, as well as a QB I wouldn't feel horrible about starting from the off. Moore can make a big impact if he bulks up a little. Marecic can massively aid our running game straight away, and Winterswyk and Fannin are more developmental, but both could see some playing time in early 2011.

Thoughts?
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Some of you may have seen that we have been running our own community mock on the draft forum. I was the Bengals GM, and came up with this:

1 (4) Nick Fairley, DT, Auburn.
2 (35) Ryan Mallett, QB, Arkansas.
2 (46- sent picks 65 and 100 to Denver)- Rahim Moore, FS, UCLA.
5 (131) Owen Marecic, FB, Stanford.
6 (162) Ryan Winterswyk, DE, Boise State.
7 (195) Mario Fannin, RB, Auburn.

I like the value I got for each pick, and think I was able to address some needs. We got a DT who can come in and start from day 1, as well as a QB I wouldn't feel horrible about starting from the off. Moore can make a big impact if he bulks up a little. Marecic can massively aid our running game straight away, and Winterswyk and Fannin are more developmental, but both could see some playing time in early 2011.

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I am sorry but this is a truly horrible draft for us.

Round 1: You picked up the second rated DT even though Darreus was still available. You also had the chance to pick the highest rated QB in Gabbert. QB is a massive area of need and with BG on the board you have to make that pick. Other players you could have picked were, Patrick Peterson, AJ Green or the possibility to trade down.

Round 2: Then you went with a QB who doesn't even fit our system and has massive red flags. Even if you didn't go QB in Round 1, you still had to pick up a guy that fits what we plan to do!! Ponder and Dalton were still on the board. I would feel horrible if we started Mallett from Day 1, the Steelers and Ravens will eat this guy alive!!

Round 2: Then you gave up two picks to draft a guy thats not an absolute game changer which is something when you give up picks is something that guy has to be. Maybe your thinking here was to give up picks you could redeem next year by trading CP9, even so trading away picks is something you should only consider if your team is loaded with stars and talent...something we're not! Had we done this last year for Taylor Mays we wouldn't have had Shipley and Atkins, imagine the same thing happened this year, losing two potential studs for a 2nd round safety would be a disaster.

Rounds 5, 6 and 7.

Like the pick of the FB, an area we need to address...the other developmental guys you mention is again OK if youre loaded with talent but as I mention above, its something we're not. In the late rounds this year, you need to look at guys that may have dropped for medical reasons, small school guys who haven't got much attention or specialist players that can add something on ST.

I just think you've failed to really address our primary need in the right way, which is QB. I admire that you've looked at address our second biggest need at Safety but dont like the way you went about it. We need the basics in place first and the 4 key positions in the NFL are QB, DE, CB and OT.

Of these you have given us a QB that you love based on workouts and not the other more important metrics such as character, leadership, smartness and accuracy. A developmental DE, No CB even though we will likely lose JJoe and no help at OT or the O-Line in general. We need a OG at the very least.

We always seem to disagree though, so look forward to your response
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In his defense - you have to bear in mind that thread was started at a time when Fairley was in contention for the #1 pick...
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In his defense - you have to bear in mind that thread was started at a time when Fairley was in contention for the #1 pick...
He has said he favours Fairley over Dareus as far back as last week on the forum...it might have been compiled months ago but I for one cant defend that pick!
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Some of you may have seen that we have been running our own community mock on the draft forum. I was the Bengals GM, and came up with this:

1 (4) Nick Fairley, DT, Auburn.
2 (35) Ryan Mallett, QB, Arkansas.
2 (46- sent picks 65 and 100 to Denver)- Rahim Moore, FS, UCLA.
5 (131) Owen Marecic, FB, Stanford.
6 (162) Ryan Winterswyk, DE, Boise State.
7 (195) Mario Fannin, RB, Auburn.

I like the value I got for each pick, and think I was able to address some needs. We got a DT who can come in and start from day 1, as well as a QB I wouldn't feel horrible about starting from the off. Moore can make a big impact if he bulks up a little. Marecic can massively aid our running game straight away, and Winterswyk and Fannin are more developmental, but both could see some playing time in early 2011.

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I have to admit if we drafted like that, I would be upset mainly because of the traded away draft picks and picking up a FB as early as round 5? We need a DT but he wouldn't be the best available as mentioned, and also I would not take Mallett, it would rather take Locker or Dalton if it was QB in round 2 and with our 3rd pick we would be able to pick up a very good safety like Quinton Carter who I personally think is a all round better safety and would be available in the 3rd. But addressing FB before RB makes no sense to me, but we will have to agree to disagree here.
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I have to admit if we drafted like that, I would be upset mainly because of the traded away draft picks and picking up a FB as early as round 5? We need a DT but he wouldn't be the best available as mentioned, and also I would not take Mallett, it would rather take Locker or Dalton if it was QB in round 2 and with our 3rd pick we would be able to pick up a very good safety like Quinton Carter who I personally think is a all round better safety and would be available in the 3rd. But addressing FB before RB makes no sense to me, but we will have to agree to disagree here.
RB we're OK at if we sign Ced and Leonard and obviously no WR as MDE still think Chad can do a job!!

FB is an area of need, wasn't aware that the Marecic was rated lower than a 5th but still need to pick a young one in the draft.

Just checked out Carter and looks a very fine prospect and would enable us to keep picks up our sleeve...back that shout all day.

What would you have done in the first round? Thoughts on Darreus vs. Fairley?
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I fully stand by the Fairley pick for reasons that I have already gone over. Some people have Dareus rated higher, but I do not. That doesn't mean I'm wrong and it doesn't mean I'm right. I think Fairley is more what we need- a penetrator to play next to Peko, rather than Dareus, who will be solid, but does not have the upside that Fairley has. I believe that Fairley will be one of the best D-tackles in the NFL for a long time, as will Dareus, but Fairley will be better in my opinion. That is why I took him.

I didn't take Gabbert because I do not like the value. I do not think he is a top five pick, or even a top ten pick. For someone who values accuracy so highly Huntsman, I don't see why you think he is worth the pick either. The system that he plays in should make him a 70% completion rating quarterback, and it doesn't.

Gabbert may be a better fit for a West Coast offense than Mallett, but I think Mallett can play it. He is accurate, as he can make basically any throw that is asked of him. His character is the problem not his quarterbacking, and that is the only reason not to take him there. A number of other teams were looking to take him, Locker was not there, and no way is Dalton worth that pick.

I like Rahim Moore a lot more than any other safety in this draft, and feel he was worth the trade up. He can come in and start straight away, making a huge difference against the pass, and will be a great asset to our defense. No other safety would have that impact, and a fourth round guy would not have that impact either.

Marecic was rated as a 4th-5th round player, and full back was a much bigger need than running back. We resign Benson, keep Scott and Leonard on board and see what we have with Fannin. I think there is a small chance that he becomes a starter, which is why I took him, and I didn't see enough value earlier to pick a back.

Winterswyk is a very good value pick in round 6, as he is a 4th round guy. He is a high character guy who works hard, so will make a difference in the locker room, and can play some downs early on in his time here. He may not have a massive impact straight away, but you guy developmental guys in these rounds, and he could turn into a productive player.

I don't think we need a CB personally. J-Jo should resign, and if not we have Adam Jones, who is good enough to play CB2, and Brandon Ghee is a young talent too who could play third corner.

I'd prefer an offensive tackle in free agency. I did think of going guard, but again I don't think it is a huge need. Maybe pick up a few guys in free agency or as undrafted guys to bring into camp, but I'd prefer to bring in other guys in the draft.

I await Chad's move next year and look forward to him lighting up New England...
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RB we're OK at if we sign Ced and Leonard and obviously no WR as MDE still think Chad can do a job!!

FB is an area of need, wasn't aware that the Marecic was rated lower than a 5th but still need to pick a young one in the draft.

Just checked out Carter and looks a very fine prospect and would enable us to keep picks up our sleeve...back that shout all day.

What would you have done in the first round? Thoughts on Darreus vs. Fairley?
I do think its pretty close between Darreus vs Fairley but if we went DT with our 1st pick I would pick Darreus because of the impact he will make straight away, I think he would fit straight into the starting line up, not saying that Fairley wouldn't either but I think it would take more time, Fairley reminds me of Geno in the way he penetrates and I think in a rotation Darreus would be a better fit for the Bengals. Personally I think DE could be where we go because of Odom and Geathers not being fit and not being good basically.
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I do think its pretty close between Darreus vs Fairley but if we went DT with our 1st pick I would pick Darreus because of the impact he will make straight away, I think he would fit straight into the starting line up, not saying that Fairley wouldn't either but I think it would take more time, Fairley reminds me of Geno in the way he penetrates and I think in a rotation Darreus would be a better fit for the Bengals. Personally I think DE could be where we go because of Odom and Geathers not being fit and not being good basically.
I think we'll go QB, with Newton if he's there. I'd be happy with either position on the d-line, but I think d-tackle is much more of a need.

Fairley is a similar player to Atkins, but he is much better. He is on a par with Suh, and would be a top pick for sure if he hadn't had some of the character issues he is reported to have. Dareus is fine, but I don't see the value in picking him at 4. You need a special player at a position like d-tackle to pick them that high, and Dareus isn't quite that special.
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I fully stand by the Fairley pick for reasons that I have already gone over. Some people have Dareus rated higher, but I do not. That doesn't mean I'm wrong and it doesn't mean I'm right. I think Fairley is more what we need- a penetrator to play next to Peko, rather than Dareus, who will be solid, but does not have the upside that Fairley has. I believe that Fairley will be one of the best D-tackles in the NFL for a long time, as will Dareus, but Fairley will be better in my opinion. That is why I took him.

I didn't take Gabbert because I do not like the value. I do not think he is a top five pick, or even a top ten pick. For someone who values accuracy so highly Huntsman, I don't see why you think he is worth the pick either. The system that he plays in should make him a 70% completion rating quarterback, and it doesn't.

Gabbert may be a better fit for a West Coast offense than Mallett, but I think Mallett can play it. He is accurate, as he can make basically any throw that is asked of him. His character is the problem not his quarterbacking, and that is the only reason not to take him there. A number of other teams were looking to take him, Locker was not there, and no way is Dalton worth that pick.

I like Rahim Moore a lot more than any other safety in this draft, and feel he was worth the trade up. He can come in and start straight away, making a huge difference against the pass, and will be a great asset to our defense. No other safety would have that impact, and a fourth round guy would not have that impact either.

Marecic was rated as a 4th-5th round player, and full back was a much bigger need than running back. We resign Benson, keep Scott and Leonard on board and see what we have with Fannin. I think there is a small chance that he becomes a starter, which is why I took him, and I didn't see enough value earlier to pick a back.

Winterswyk is a very good value pick in round 6, as he is a 4th round guy. He is a high character guy who works hard, so will make a difference in the locker room, and can play some downs early on in his time here. He may not have a massive impact straight away, but you guy developmental guys in these rounds, and he could turn into a productive player.

I don't think we need a CB personally. J-Jo should resign, and if not we have Adam Jones, who is good enough to play CB2, and Brandon Ghee is a young talent too who could play third corner.

I'd prefer an offensive tackle in free agency. I did think of going guard, but again I don't think it is a huge need. Maybe pick up a few guys in free agency or as undrafted guys to bring into camp, but I'd prefer to bring in other guys in the draft.

I await Chad's move next year and look forward to him lighting up New England...
DT-gate: Firstly, I'm sure Fairley will be a great player for someone else who gets him this year. That being said, there are far too many professional draftniks that have Darreus rated ahead of your boy and too many red flags on the guy for it to be a good value pick as you so called it. If anyone knows DTs its Warren Sapp and Sapp who thinks Darreus will be the better pro prospect, I can give you more people who think the same if you like? No doubt we need a young penetrating DT but not when there were a number of players available that fill other, more important needs, which takes me to QB...

Mallett is not as great as you make him sound, Why? well he's immature, he makes too many horrible throws (as well as great ones I agree) but he hates pressure in his face and has the mobility of a 55 year old...BG has proved during the process that he's going to be the best QB to come out of the draft and too many pro scouts and analysts say the same thing. How much of a good pick would it be to draft a quality young QB like Gabbert to re-ignite our flagging fanbase. 63% accuracy with only one real threat to throw to last year is not so bad and the spread offense is only as good as its support cast. The guys that make it work, have to work hard at it, Brady, Manning and Brees spring to mind and they have worked hard to get where they are, Gabbert has the same kind of hard working personality, not sure you could say the same thing about Mallett.

As much as you might love Moore, you cant give up 2 picks for him...he's not going to be a Troy or Ed type, which would be the only time you give up picks to get that guy.

You make decent points about your later picks but I haven't watched enough college games on your late round picks to make a comment, other than Marecic who looks a decent prospect. We have no depth at guard so not sure how you can say thats not an area of need? We will lose J-Joe unless he becomes a restricted free agent in a new CBA so you have to look to draft someone. We had too many injuries at CB last year to be confident in what we have.

As for Chad in NE, keep on dreaming...Bill likes Chad the person but when did BB welcome a distraction in his team?! BB is all about the Team and no doubt likes what he has...also I dont really want to get into this subject again as I know your stance on 85.

Look forward to your response.

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