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Old 20.06.2019, 09:50 AM
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well he served the purpose of taking out Raab
Are you, you know, literally, mental? How can a guy who advocates leaving the EU with a Deal possibly be considered as a man that would attract the votes of people supporting the only nut job talking about suspending Parliament to force a No Deal? You've seen the show Lee surely? Deal or No Deal? Noel Edmonds? The two positions are diametrically opposite?!?

Good riddance to Raab though. What a freakshow that twit was.

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and wasn't he asking the Javid supporters to jump to him last night and by reports was discussing joining the Gove ticket this morning.
He's on record as supporting precisely none of the other candidates. And good for him. He may look a bit like one of those toy monkeys with the cymbals but he's come across as a principled realist with, dare I say it, a degree of honor.

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they remaining contenders can get on with normal conservative politics and not playing to the Lib Dem ticket.
Normal conservative politics? Lying through your teeth and promising things that almost certainly cannot be done. If that is normal conservative politics then I am done with them. This leadership contest has been a depressing **** show from start to finish.

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Yes. That's why we get the politicians we deserve. If you're fed up with lying politicians who don't deliver on their promises, stop voting for them over the one who tells you the unpalatable truth! Though happily in this particular race, there are no such quandaries as none of them will tell the unpalatable truth about Brexit. They all think they can solve it. You can't.
Easier said than done though Bob. FPTP, coupled with the tribal nature of british politics makes this all but impossible. Where I live they could stick a blue rosette on a pig and it'd get voted in. Rather embarrassingly I would have voted for that blue pig not that long ago. Not any more though. The one good thing to come from all this mess is that it has provided me with some clarity. The next pig I vote for will have a Lib Dem rosette stuck on it.

Brexit is a proper Gordian Knot though, you're right, and probably one that can't be untied. I expect the winner of this leadership contest to take a big sharp pair of garden shears to it and start cutting. It's going to be a very interesting few months once all the skiving *******s get back from their summer holiday. I am actually looking forward to seeing Johnsons face once he realises just what a Polish Wedding he's taken on.

So just on Radio 4 is this speculation that Bojo supporters are now 'lending' their votes to the contender they most want their champion to face in the final round? Talk about crooked. Ah, democracy. It's lovely isn't it?

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Old 20.06.2019, 12:15 PM
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Looks like it's all over then, if there was ever any doubt. Javid out, Boris scoring more than Hunt and Gove put together. Might be fun watching Gove trying to torpedo Boris for a second time though.
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Old 20.06.2019, 06:07 PM
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So 4 of Saj's supporters have come out in public to say they they voted for Boris in the final round, yet he only gained 3 votes in the final round, almost like someone didn't want a Boris v Gove run off.
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Old 20.06.2019, 06:29 PM
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tbh who cares?


some random fella was there to make it look like the public were involved, when really they would of known the things they wanted to ask and just let some random do it.

(there was also a pro Hunt fella that didnt seem to listen to the answers but just praise Hunt and knock Rory.)


people seem keen to focus something meaningless rather than reality.
yeah who cares if the BBC have a random guy on talking about how we need a general election,why should the BBC have mentioned he has worked for the Labour party campaigns on behalf of labour and think it was reported he even stood to be a candidate for the party.

there is no problem having supporters of other parties on but recent employee's seems to be a little bit suspicious.

why not just have "Jeremy from Islington" asking the question to avoid any idea of impartiality.
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Old 20.06.2019, 06:38 PM
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Looks like it's all over then, if there was ever any doubt. Javid out, Boris scoring more than Hunt and Gove put together. Might be fun watching Gove trying to torpedo Boris for a second time though.
sure Gove can still try to undermine Boris but will have to do it from the side lines.
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Old 20.06.2019, 06:46 PM
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So 4 of Saj's supporters have come out in public to say they they voted for Boris in the final round, yet he only gained 3 votes in the final round, almost like someone didn't want a Boris v Gove run off.
so both are promising we leave by October 31st and both are saying they can get a revised deal that will somehow pass the commons so lets see what happens.

was it bad new for Boris today as George Osborne seems to have come out in support of him through the evening standard,wonder if he is hoping for the reverse midas touch.
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Old 20.06.2019, 08:04 PM
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Are you, you know, literally, mental? How can a guy who advocates leaving the EU with a Deal possibly be considered as a man that would attract the votes of people supporting the only nut job talking about suspending Parliament to force a No Deal? You've seen the show Lee surely? Deal or No Deal? Noel Edmonds? The two positions are diametrically opposite?!?

Good riddance to Raab though. What a freakshow that twit was.
think you missed the point,with Raab in the race Boris had someone even more determined and as you point out was talking about suspending parliament,with him out the running it took some pressure of Boris to match his commitments but still allowed him to be where the ERG would eventually park there votes and there voices inside the conservative party.

why is there so much interest in Boris taking out Gove,surely it allows Boris even more wiggle room but still be seen as the best Leave option on the ballot compared to Hunt who know one really trusts to get us out come what May.
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Old 20.06.2019, 09:58 PM
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yeah who cares if the BBC have a random guy on talking about how we need a general election,why should the BBC have mentioned he has worked for the Labour party campaigns on behalf of labour and think it was reported he even stood to be a candidate for the party.

there is no problem having supporters of other parties on but recent employee's seems to be a little bit suspicious.

why not just have "Jeremy from Islington" asking the question to avoid any idea of impartiality.

so you think what they select people and let them ask whatever question they wanted?


or do you think they had questions they wanted to ask and just let some random say it.



i guess you just like playing the game where you fail to hold people to account for things that matter but blow up the tiny meaningless stuff.
Boris said Brown had no mandate from the people, yet he doesnt plan to hold a GE despite lacking the numbers in parliament.

that was the point that mattered.





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so both are promising we leave by October 31st and both are saying they can get a revised deal that will somehow pass the commons so lets see what happens.

was it bad new for Boris today as George Osborne seems to have come out in support of him through the evening standard,wonder if he is hoping for the reverse midas touch.

lets see how there lies pan out.
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Old 20.06.2019, 11:42 PM
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so both are promising we leave by October 31st and both are saying they can get a revised deal that will somehow pass the commons so lets see what happens.

was it bad new for Boris today as George Osborne seems to have come out in support of him through the evening standard,wonder if he is hoping for the reverse midas touch.
Anyone who thinks they will get a revised deal of the sort that will placate the Brextremists among the Tory MPs is utterly deluded. The EU hasn't changed its position on this. Which of May's red lines will they accept to shelve in order to get a better deal? Cloud cuckoo land. I think some people genuinely still think the UK can dictate its own terms and May has just done a bad job out of a strong hand of cards. May is the 2019 version of a November Criminal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stab-in-the-back_myth

Boris is not stupid, though, despite how he sometimes comes across. He knows there is no chance of the EU renegotiating a deal by 31 October. He is gunning for No Deal. He just doesn't want to outright say that because when it proves to be a disaster - a serious risk, anyone must admit, even if they are not ready to admit it is an inevitability - he doesn't want to get blamed for it. Boris doesn't do getting blamed for things - that's for someone else. He wants to blame the EU for it. So he will attempt to get a new deal on totally unrealistic terms and timeframes, which he knows to be just that even if he won't say it, and then blame the EU for refusing as he walks away. That way, the EU will be the bad guy and he can pretend he never wanted no deal, he wanted a great deal. And the media and most people will buy it.

To be honest this is what I always foresaw with Brexit: stomping off and blaming the EU for it, cheered on by the British media as if it was reinforcing the idea that you just can't work with these Europeans. I was not surprised the negotiations went disastrously for the UK. What did surprise me about 2018 and so far in 2019 was where the British public laid the blame - with our own politicians, rather than the EU. Johnson will be looking to get back on track and get people back to blaming the EU, rather than him, or themselves. He certainly won't want them blaming the Conservative party as that will be the end of his power trip.

As for Hunt, he could easily do much the same. And don't say you weren't warned: he said as much one year ago: https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ys-jeremy-hunt
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Old 20.06.2019, 11:45 PM
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Have to say the tactical voting doesn't bother me at all. It's all part of the game. People make alliances and deals to sideline threats all the time. It's just politics. FWIW I don't think it would change the final outcome anyway.
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