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Old 23.07.2019, 01:03 PM
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no shock at all from the moment May stepped down he was going to win, he was trying to force her out because he knew it.



Trump was already parody gone mad, Boris takes it to another level, you would struggle to create a show with 2 crazier leaders. both have pasts that would kill off political careers, have gaffs that should of done them in too. hell in there minor infractions are nuts.

both also are puppets in there own way, rather than having morals and policies they change as the wind blows pushed by those behind the scenes.



Boris ddnt even want to leave the EU, he saw it as a way to score political points, the same way Trump didnt even want to be President he just wanted to get some juice from running.



now he has to go get a super deal with the EU and all the wonderful things he promised right, wait he doesnt because the courts say you can just knowingly tell lies, sounds great.



so much time has been wasted on the extension already and more is bound to be wasted.



so now its down to the MPs to somehow save us.



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Boris and Donald, Jeremy H and Donald, Jeremy C and Donald. We were fücked regardless...



why?


he would be far superior to the other options, flawed but things would be better.
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Old 23.07.2019, 01:07 PM
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The good news is that I think Boris is already on borrowed time. We've had a few resignations already with quite a few more predicted. Amazingly it isn't completely out of the question that his premiership ends as early as tomorrow if he cannot command a majority in the House of Commons. Right now that majority is 2.

It's unlikely though so I'm going for a tempestuous 2 or 3 months where Boris realises just how intractable the whole Brexit mess is followed by a General Election and some kind of hung Parliament. We end up staying in.
That's best case scenario.

Worse case is we leave on October 31st without a deal and the economy goes into meltdown and we're in full blown recession by February. Longer term Scotland forces a referendum and wins it. Ireland does the same after the IRA blow up a load of parked cars on the mainland. There's a fragile peace as Ireland unifies but civil war is constantly a possibility. The Welsh get told to poke it as 2 newly independent countries on our doorstep is enough to deal with. People in Cornwall get restless. Car manufacturing all but disappears, farming teeters on the brink. After a massive bailout most UK fishing boats are sold to spanish and french companies as most of the fishermen took the money and retired with it. A leg of lamb in Tescos costs £47. Insulin can be found on the black market. The NHS is sold piecemeal to the US.

Rees Mogg retires to the Bahamas though after selling his equity stake in Somerset Capital and, after a brief period as the British Ambassador in Washington Nigel Farage gets kicked to death by a horse while on holiday so it's not all bad.

News just in- Rory Stewart has just gone. No surprise there I guess, the only principled realist in cabinet.

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Old 23.07.2019, 04:40 PM
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Worth stating that all these resignations are just for show. They’re jumping before pushed as all know Boris would sack them anyway, either because he doesn’t want them or because he did but they already made clear they won’t work with him.
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Old 23.07.2019, 04:55 PM
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Worth stating that all these resignations are just for show. They’re jumping before pushed as all know Boris would sack them anyway, either because he doesn’t want them or because he did but they already made clear they won’t work with him.

true but the balance in the house is fine and maybe Boris does make it worse.
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Old 23.07.2019, 06:03 PM
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Glad to read that exclusive in the Mail on Sunday that this leak of the Sir Kim Darroch cables was nothing to do with Brexit at all. It was a budding 19-year-old journalist who uncovered it as part of some 'investigations' he was doing. Oh, and he just happened to have worked for political website Westmonster, owned by Aaron Banks, Brexit's biggest financial backer, and also to work for the Brexit Party, set up by businessman Richard Tice. Obviously if you're a civil servant with something to leak, you don't take it to a well known journalist, you give your top quality stuff to a 19-year-old kid with no track record. And rather than get the biggest story he'll ever have in his life published under his own byline - who wouldn't be interested in that story if approached? - he decides to approach Isabel Oakeshott of the Mail on Sunday, and the article gets published in her name only. That's the same Isabel Oakeshott who ghost wrote Aaron Banks's autobiography, who separated from her husband in 2018 and is now shacked up with Richard Tice, and who is pally with Nigel Farage. She is the journalist at a major newspaper with the closest links to the Brexit Party. She also sat on information regarding Banks and Russian officials which she uncovered while writing his autobiography. After publication of the cables, Farage wrote an article demanding Darroch be sacked and Tice was all over TV saying the ambassador needed to be removed and replaced by a pro-Brexit businessman.

But this had nothing to do with Brexit.
so the story is somehow he just discovered highly sensitive cables,sounds like more rubbish.

if there was a story out there involving Banks/Tice/Farage channel 4 or carole cadwalladr would have surely found it as that's all they have focused on for 3+ years.

also good to see Oakeshott got her 5 figure payment and full apology from the Guardian over there disgusting article they produced on how she got this scoop.
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Old 23.07.2019, 06:15 PM
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Jo swinson showing that the whole people's vote lobby is nothing to do with a final say but just hopefully a do-over that if Leave won again would not change a thing for the remainers.
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Boris and Donald. What a time to be alive...
also worth nothing professional talking head Jasmin Alibhai-Brown wrote that the moment Boris became PM she would be "leaving" but guessing she will still be spewing her garbage on TV for years too come.
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Old 23.07.2019, 07:37 PM
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Jo swinson showing that the whole people's vote lobby is nothing to do with a final say but just hopefully a do-over that if Leave won again would not change a thing for the remainers.

only in the same why that the likes of Nigel would of kept going if they had of lost as they stated at the time.

losing a vote doesnt change reality or in Nigels case his own fictional reality, Leaving is bad no matter how or when it happens.

for me, i would take a no deal (or the magical Boris deal) vs remain vote, both are clear, with that its over (we never should of had vote but that ship has sailed.)

the first vote was never clear just bs promises and lies.




c'mon Lee at least tell us why Boris is so great.
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Old 23.07.2019, 07:50 PM
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so the story is somehow he just discovered highly sensitive cables,sounds like more rubbish.
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Glad to read that exclusive in the Mail on Sunday that this leak of the Sir Kim Darroch cables was nothing to do with Brexit at all. It was a budding 19-year-old journalist who uncovered it as part of some 'investigations' he was doing. Oh, and he just happened to have worked for political website Westmonster, owned by Aaron Banks, Brexit's biggest financial backer, and also to work for the Brexit Party, set up by businessman Richard Tice. Obviously if you're a civil servant with something to leak, you don't take it to a well known journalist, you give your top quality stuff to a 19-year-old kid with no track record. And rather than get the biggest story he'll ever have in his life published under his own byline - who wouldn't be interested in that story if approached? - he decides to approach Isabel Oakeshott of the Mail on Sunday, and the article gets published in her name only. That's the same Isabel Oakeshott who ghost wrote Aaron Banks's autobiography, who separated from her husband in 2018 and is now shacked up with Richard Tice, and who is pally with Nigel Farage. She is the journalist at a major newspaper with the closest links to the Brexit Party. She also sat on information regarding Banks and Russian officials which she uncovered while writing his autobiography. After publication of the cables, Farage wrote an article demanding Darroch be sacked and Tice was all over TV saying the ambassador needed to be removed and replaced by a pro-Brexit businessman.
Read the bit in bold and italics again.

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if there was a story out there involving Banks/Tice/Farage channel 4 or carole cadwalladr would have surely found it as that's all they have focused on for 3+ years.
This only happened the other week - it takes time to uncover things. Though I suspect someone was sniffing around and getting rather too close for comfort, hence the decision to name this guy in an exclusive in the MOS before the Times or Guardian or someone did it instead. I just don't buy that someone with something to leak sounded out a 19-year-old with no pedigree and that he independently of anything else decided to approach Oakeshott. Sounds fishy to me.

Anyway, he won't reveal his source of the leak, which is fine, he's entitled to do that. But the government should be able to identify and should then prosecute the leaker. This is highly confidential stuff. You could bet if someone leaked a US ambassador's comments back to Trump, Trump would be going after that leaker big time.

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also good to see Oakeshott got her 5 figure payment and full apology from the Guardian over there disgusting article they produced on how she got this scoop.
The article wasn't disgusting, but there was a particular paragraph in it that I think you probably mean to refer to which was out of order and should not have been published. The way it is being spun as '5 figures' tells me it was a trifle over £10k she got - not exactly big bucks.
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Old 23.07.2019, 08:04 PM
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only in the same why that the likes of Nigel would of kept going if they had of lost as they stated at the time.

losing a vote doesnt change reality or in Nigels case his own fictional reality, Leaving is bad no matter how or when it happens.

for me, i would take a no deal (or the magical Boris deal) vs remain vote, both are clear, with that its over (we never should of had vote but that ship has sailed.)

the first vote was never clear just bs promises and lies.




c'mon Lee at least tell us why Boris is so great.
Brexit now doesn't resemble anything like what was pitched in 2016. People like Lee convince themselves it does, but they keep changing their story every time they are proved wrong rather than admit they got it wrong. Someone went back over Boris Johnson's speeches in the referendum campaign and the phrase or paraphrase 'no deal Brexit' came up precisely zero times. Yet now they all claim this is what Brexit really is and what 17.4m people voted for.

Whereas if you voted Remain, nothing has changed. The story was that you could stay in and keep things as they are; nothing is different now.

We all know the real reason they don't want another vote - they know they'll lose it. It's not about what 'the people' want, it's about what suits them, just like this idea of cancelling parliament is about what suits them when they claim to speak up for democracy and making UK parliament sovereign over Europe. They didn't want UK parliament to be sovereign on voting to trigger Article 50, and they went after British judges in British courts who ruled that the government must put it to parliament. They aren't interested in democracy or British sovereignty, they want to manipulate everything for their own ends. The sad reality for people like Lee is that one day the penny will drop that 'for their own ends' doesn't mean the ends of people like Lee at all, stuck up there in the north-east, it means the ends of those who pull the strings of power. And surprise surprise, public school educated southern right wingers don't care about people in leave voting towns in the North now any more than they ever did - they are just useful tools to try to claim legitimacy using these people as numbers. They've never acted in those people's interests before and they won't now. They'll gladly screw them all over to line their own pockets. But unfortunately these people would rather attack the person telling them these people are snake oil salesmen than attach the snake oil salesmen themselves.
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