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Manning's number is up, Brady not yet.
Even NE see the end is coming. BB is no mug, the draft of JG spoke loudly to Brady. Loud enough that he felt the need to even comment on it. I just don't see Manning getting a shot at his second ring.
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Even NE see the end is coming. BB is no mug, the draft of JG spoke loudly to Brady. Loud enough that he felt the need to even comment on it. I just don't see Manning getting a shot at his second ring.
Brady hardly gets touched...his accuracy is still there (his receivers just dropped everything early last year) and as Manning has shown, you can lose half of your velocity and still thrive in this league. Brady's arm has yet to show hints of noodle-itis.

Pats just need QBs - bodies on the roster.

Mallet was going to leave next year and is not heir apparent.

Now NE gets another 4 years under the rookie wage scale to groom another replacement.

And yet that replacement could be 5-6-7 years down the road.

Montana quit because of the pounding on his body over the years, the back that never fully healed...two horrible concussions he got before his last year...and frankly, he said it felt like a job and he stopped loving it.

Favre's body couldn't handle it anymore - based on his style of play - and the 90's pounding.

Brady...has thrived in the era of the cocoon QB. Apart from one freak knee incident, there's nothing in his history that says age means anything at this point...that his body is shot from too much punishment.

People are using QBs ages from another era who retired between 34-37. That doesn't apply.

As long as you can't touch a receiver and as long as Defenses still can't defend 5 yard slants and outs...you can be a point guard in this league until your arm truly gives out or you get tired of it.

Brady has said he has no desire to retire anytime soon...and with his competitive spirit and the way the game continues to trend toward skill over brutality...Brady can play until he's 45 if he stays in shape and continues working out. 40 is the new 30, haven't you heard?

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Making sense of the Kaepernick “de-escalators” - Source Mike Florio & PFT


Based on the official NFLPA breakdown of the Kaepernick deal, here’s precisely what he must do to get the full $12 million, at $2 million per year. In 2014, he must be named an Associated Press first-team or second-team All-Pro, or he must:

(1) win the NFC title game,
(2) have 80-percent playing time in the regular season, and
(3) have cumulative 80-percent playing time in all postseason games, not including the Super Bowl.

If Kaepernick doesn’t meet those triggers in 2014, $2 million in otherwise “guaranteed” salary permanently disappears from his 2015 compensation. At that point, he can get $10 million over the rest of the deal ($2 million per year) by, in 2015, being named an Associated Press first-team or second-team All-Pro, or:
(1) winning the NFC title game;
(2) having 80-percent playing time in the regular season; and
(3) having 80-percent playing time in each postseason game, not including the Super Bowl.

If he doesn’t meet the 2014 or 2015 triggers, another $2 million in otherwise “guaranteed” salary disappears from his 2016 compensation. Then, Kaepernick can get $8 million over the rest of the deal (at $2 million per year) by, in 2016, being named an Associated Press first-team or second-team All-Pro, or:
(1) winning the NFC title game;
(2) having 80-percent playing time in the regular season; and
(3) having 80-percent playing time in each postseason game, not including the Super Bowl.

The process continues, with $2 million per year going away until Kaepernick becomes a first-team or second-team AP All-Pro, or if he wins the NFC title game, takes 80 percent of the snaps in the regular-season, and takes 80-percent of the snaps in each playoff game other than the Super Bowl.

Even if Kaepernick hits the triggers in 2014, unlocking the $12 million in future salary, the 49ers still have the ability to never pay it all. Unlike an incentive, which becomes earned when the conditions are met, escalators/de-escalators affect salary that may never be paid, if the player is cut or traded.
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Old 06.06.2014, 09:39 PM
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Making sense of the Kaepernick “de-escalators” - Source Mike Florio & PFT


Based on the official NFLPA breakdown of the Kaepernick deal, here’s precisely what he must do to get the full $12 million, at $2 million per year. In 2014, he must be named an Associated Press first-team or second-team All-Pro, or he must:

(1) win the NFC title game,
(2) have 80-percent playing time in the regular season, and
(3) have cumulative 80-percent playing time in all postseason games, not including the Super Bowl.

If Kaepernick doesn’t meet those triggers in 2014, $2 million in otherwise “guaranteed” salary permanently disappears from his 2015 compensation. At that point, he can get $10 million over the rest of the deal ($2 million per year) by, in 2015, being named an Associated Press first-team or second-team All-Pro, or:
(1) winning the NFC title game;
(2) having 80-percent playing time in the regular season; and
(3) having 80-percent playing time in each postseason game, not including the Super Bowl.

If he doesn’t meet the 2014 or 2015 triggers, another $2 million in otherwise “guaranteed” salary disappears from his 2016 compensation. Then, Kaepernick can get $8 million over the rest of the deal (at $2 million per year) by, in 2016, being named an Associated Press first-team or second-team All-Pro, or:
(1) winning the NFC title game;
(2) having 80-percent playing time in the regular season; and
(3) having 80-percent playing time in each postseason game, not including the Super Bowl.

The process continues, with $2 million per year going away until Kaepernick becomes a first-team or second-team AP All-Pro, or if he wins the NFC title game, takes 80 percent of the snaps in the regular-season, and takes 80-percent of the snaps in each playoff game other than the Super Bowl.

Even if Kaepernick hits the triggers in 2014, unlocking the $12 million in future salary, the 49ers still have the ability to never pay it all. Unlike an incentive, which becomes earned when the conditions are met, escalators/de-escalators affect salary that may never be paid, if the player is cut or traded.
The 9ers do it right......again.
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Old 06.06.2014, 10:03 PM
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Making sense of the Kaepernick “de-escalators” - Source Mike Florio & PFT


Based on the official NFLPA breakdown of the Kaepernick deal, here’s precisely what he must do to get the full $12 million, at $2 million per year. In 2014, he must be named an Associated Press first-team or second-team All-Pro, or he must:

(1) win the NFC title game,
(2) have 80-percent playing time in the regular season, and
(3) have cumulative 80-percent playing time in all postseason games, not including the Super Bowl.


If Kaepernick doesn’t meet those triggers in 2014, $2 million in otherwise “guaranteed” salary permanently disappears from his 2015 compensation. At that point, he can get $10 million over the rest of the deal ($2 million per year) by, in 2015, being named an Associated Press first-team or second-team All-Pro, or:
(1) winning the NFC title game;
(2) having 80-percent playing time in the regular season; and
(3) having 80-percent playing time in each postseason game, not including the Super Bowl.

If he doesn’t meet the 2014 or 2015 triggers, another $2 million in otherwise “guaranteed” salary disappears from his 2016 compensation. Then, Kaepernick can get $8 million over the rest of the deal (at $2 million per year) by, in 2016, being named an Associated Press first-team or second-team All-Pro, or:
(1) winning the NFC title game;
(2) having 80-percent playing time in the regular season; and
(3) having 80-percent playing time in each postseason game, not including the Super Bowl.

The process continues, with $2 million per year going away until Kaepernick becomes a first-team or second-team AP All-Pro, or if he wins the NFC title game, takes 80 percent of the snaps in the regular-season, and takes 80-percent of the snaps in each playoff game other than the Super Bowl.

Even if Kaepernick hits the triggers in 2014, unlocking the $12 million in future salary, the 49ers still have the ability to never pay it all. Unlike an incentive, which becomes earned when the conditions are met, escalators/de-escalators affect salary that may never be paid, if the player is cut or traded.
All 3 or 1 of 3? If all 3 which I presume it is that is superb work from the 9ers, well played whoever does the negotiating in SF...
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A great deal if he is a success, still a lot tied up in him if it goes wrong
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Making sense of the Kaepernick “de-escalators” - Source Mike Florio & PFT


Based on the official NFLPA breakdown of the Kaepernick deal, here’s precisely what he must do to get the full $12 million, at $2 million per year. In 2014, he must be named an Associated Press first-team or second-team All-Pro, or he must:

(1) win the NFC title game,
(2) have 80-percent playing time in the regular season, and
(3) have cumulative 80-percent playing time in all postseason games, not including the Super Bowl.

If Kaepernick doesn’t meet those triggers in 2014, $2 million in otherwise “guaranteed” salary permanently disappears from his 2015 compensation. At that point, he can get $10 million over the rest of the deal ($2 million per year) by, in 2015, being named an Associated Press first-team or second-team All-Pro, or:
(1) winning the NFC title game;
(2) having 80-percent playing time in the regular season; and
(3) having 80-percent playing time in each postseason game, not including the Super Bowl.

If he doesn’t meet the 2014 or 2015 triggers, another $2 million in otherwise “guaranteed” salary disappears from his 2016 compensation. Then, Kaepernick can get $8 million over the rest of the deal (at $2 million per year) by, in 2016, being named an Associated Press first-team or second-team All-Pro, or:
(1) winning the NFC title game;
(2) having 80-percent playing time in the regular season; and
(3) having 80-percent playing time in each postseason game, not including the Super Bowl.


The process continues, with $2 million per year going away until Kaepernick becomes a first-team or second-team AP All-Pro, or if he wins the NFC title game, takes 80 percent of the snaps in the regular-season, and takes 80-percent of the snaps in each playoff game other than the Super Bowl.

Even if Kaepernick hits the triggers in 2014, unlocking the $12 million in future salary, the 49ers still have the ability to never pay it all. Unlike an incentive, which becomes earned when the conditions are met, escalators/de-escalators affect salary that may never be paid, if the player is cut or traded.
So basically, be an All-Pro every year or never get hurt every year or win the NFC Title game every year.

Montana made All-Pro (1st or 2nd team) only 5 times spread out over 14 seasons....and he was NFC Champion only 4 times spread out over 14 years.

So I guess it comes down to if he gets hurt - hell, even Montana had 2-3 years where he didn't play 80% of playing time that year.

Whew...sounds like Master P is back in business as an agent (for the Niners)...with a somewhat softer approach.

Anyone remember Ricky Williams' "incentive" contract?

He signed a $68 million deal but about 80% of that was contingent upon reaching crazy goals...

Williams received a signing bonus worth $8.8 million as part of the deal and could have earned between $11 and $68 million over seven years as part of the contract.

Unfortunately, the bulk of the incentives were based on Williams surpassing the first four years in performance by former Denver running back Terrell Davis, whose first four seasons are the most productive by any running back in NFL history.
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Surpass the GOAT at QB...Or don't collect the dough.

Pretty rough - considering that is not how thinks work out. He'll get his base pay...NFL is tough enough - without having these crazy incentive contracts in a huge physical team game.
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There are two all pro QBs a year. He'd have to beat out Rodgers and any of Brady, Manning, Brees, Luck..

So it's either that or make the big dance every year?
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Surpass the GOAT at QB...Or don't collect the dough.

Pretty rough - considering that is not how thinks work out. He'll get his base pay...NFL is tough enough - without having these crazy incentive contracts in a huge physical team game.
well there is no GOAT QB officially recognized by the NFL so he doesnt need to worry about that, unless of course he is worried about constant media and fan debates attempting to declare something that nobody is remotely qualified to declare as fact.

If he just goes out and plays his natural game to the best of his ability then he will walk away a rich man, if his team is able to perform at a level capable of making it to SB on a consistent basis then he will be even richer and im sure he will share the wealth
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