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Old 18.11.2015, 12:03 AM
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I wonder if the Raiders will keep him under contract.

Their deal with him is rather reasonable and will be. in effect, suspended until Week 11 next year where he could really be a boost in the arm late in the 2016 campaign.
It's still a roster spot, though.
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Old 18.11.2015, 01:30 AM
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It's still a roster spot, though.
Yes and no.

If they put him on IR until the end of the year and then have him for training camp. The team could then work out if his potential is greater than keeping the other options for 53rd man in Week 1. If they believe so, they could then put him on IR designated to return and pick up another 53rd for the first few weeks of the year.
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Old 18.11.2015, 01:41 AM
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tbh i get fed up with the league and these sort of punishments.
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Old 18.11.2015, 08:29 AM
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tbh i get fed up with the league and these sort of punishments.
The substance abuse ones are ridiculously harsh - especially when alcohol is considered as a substance.

If the story Josh Gordon has given is true - a couple of beers after last game of season - then there is something seriously wrong with policy when Greg Hardy gets 4 games.

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Old 18.11.2015, 08:32 AM
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tbh i get fed up with the league and these sort of punishments.
Its the same as Josh Gordon,we can think a 1 year ban for substance abuse is harsh but these are guys who have failed multiple test after entering the leagues program and the punishments are set out for all to know.Matt Pratter self reported his "alcohol use" and still got 3 games.

If Aldon Smith has agreed as part of the chance to play in the league that he will not drink then even thou the state may not charge him over his alledged DUI the NFL have to take action if there is enough evidence.
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Old 18.11.2015, 09:06 AM
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Daryl Washington was suspended for a year last July or August time. He applied for reinstatement this year and the league were too busy to review his case. So he is still suspended until they can be bothered to look at his case.
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Old 18.11.2015, 12:35 PM
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Its the same as Josh Gordon,we can think a 1 year ban for substance abuse is harsh but these are guys who have failed multiple test after entering the leagues program and the punishments are set out for all to know.Matt Pratter self reported his "alcohol use" and still got 3 games.

If Aldon Smith has agreed as part of the chance to play in the league that he will not drink then even thou the state may not charge him over his alledged DUI the NFL have to take action if there is enough evidence.
Taking action over a crime is one thing, putting people on a policy when they are not allowed to do something that is legal in the whole Western world is clearly far too much.

The intentions behind it might be correct, but banning people for a year for having a beer is far too prohibitive and wrong. Also, the way the guy is treated, in basically being banned from the team facility is an awful way to 'rehab' someone who is having issues.
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Old 18.11.2015, 01:09 PM
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Taking action over a crime is one thing, putting people on a policy when they are not allowed to do something that is legal in the whole Western world is clearly far too much.

The intentions behind it might be correct, but banning people for a year for having a beer is far too prohibitive and wrong. Also, the way the guy is treated, in basically being banned from the team facility is an awful way to 'rehab' someone who is having issues.
If players want to play in the league you have to abide by there rules which the NFLPA have signed of on,with smith/gordon this alcohol ban must be after many failed tests and if they agree to be part of the program for an early offence then if you fail again thats on the players themselves.We never know exactly how many failed tests or warnings it take to get to the 1 year ban but guessing Smith has had many second chances.
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Old 18.11.2015, 01:45 PM
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If players want to play in the league you have to abide by there rules which the NFLPA have signed of on,with smith/gordon this alcohol ban must be after many failed tests and if they agree to be part of the program for an early offence then if you fail again thats on the players themselves.We never know exactly how many failed tests or warnings it take to get to the 1 year ban but guessing Smith has had many second chances.
I don't think anyone 'agrees' to be part of the programme, it's that or be out of the league.

Just because there is a policy in place doesn't mean it isn't wrong for it to be. If these people on it who are genuine addicts that need help, the punishments are the worst possible things pastorally for them - they almost guarantee that people will fall of the wagon.

Alcohol, and arguably marijuana, shouldn't be on the substance list - and anyone in the programme isn't retrospectively judged by the new limits etc so are in a position where they are being set up to fail.
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Old 18.11.2015, 04:18 PM
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I don't think anyone 'agrees' to be part of the programme, it's that or be out of the league.

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when these players go to college they agree to be held to account by the NCAA and all there rules when they join the NFL they sign contracts that tell's the player in return for making many dollars they will be held to maybe a higher standard and have to accept there rules.And YES they agree to be tested atleast once a year,they agree to sign up to a strick personal conduct policy and then know what punishments or programs they would have to go through if they break the rules and what happens if they fail to live upto there part of any agreement.

According to profootballtalk Aldon Smith and his lawyers accepted the 12 month ban as long as the league accepted not only his use of alcohol(again) but also the alleged DUI as 1 offence and did not maybe give him the lifetime ban(which is a rolling 12 month suspension) which could have happened if they treated him as a repeat offender if they found him guilty of both offences.
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