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Old 10.03.2014, 09:32 PM
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Unless you are a politician who has lost an election but formed a govt on the back of his promise of British jobs for British workers and an end to 'unfettered immigration'. Only he employers foreign workers ahead of British ones, and immigration is heading skywards.

Remember that when voting next time.
One job to a foreign worker and you claim they have lied on their entire economic policy.

Laughable.

If he only hired British workers you'd claim he was racist. It is just awful, opportunistic nit picking from a 'glass half empty' kind of guy.

Immigration is heading skywards because immigration is good for the country. Immigration is the Liberals, Tories and Labours doing, so in no way can you blame the Tories for our current situation.

Out of interest who are you inclinded to vote for?.

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Old 11.03.2014, 09:05 AM
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One job to a foreign worker and you claim they have lied on their entire economic policy.

Laughable.

If he only hired British workers you'd claim he was racist. It is just awful, opportunistic nit picking from a 'glass half empty' kind of guy.

Immigration is heading skywards because immigration is good for the country. Immigration is the Liberals, Tories and Labours doing, so in no way can you blame the Tories for our current situation.

Out of interest who are you inclinded to vote for?.
So its OK to have a cornerstone pledge, and not ahdeer to it yourself?
Do as I say, not as I do.

I will vote for whoever can keep the Tory filth away from parliament. Having a step son who is disabled, and having witnessed the attacks on him and his friends due to the Tory dogma off attacking the sick and disabled to pay for their millionaires tax cuts. I would vote UKIP (those racist isogynistic xenophobes), to keep Cameron and his filthy disgusting party out of Downing Street for ever.

So probably Labour as there wont be a socialist party to vote, for who can help keep the filth out.
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Old 11.03.2014, 09:47 AM
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So its OK to have a cornerstone pledge, and not ahdeer to it yourself?
Do as I say, not as I do.

I will vote for whoever can keep the Tory filth away from parliament. Having a step son who is disabled, and having witnessed the attacks on him and his friends due to the Tory dogma off attacking the sick and disabled to pay for their millionaires tax cuts. I would vote UKIP (those racist isogynistic xenophobes), to keep Cameron and his filthy disgusting party out of Downing Street for ever.

So probably Labour as there wont be a socialist party to vote, for who can help keep the filth out.
For me people who look at immigration in pounds and pence and say its good for the uk are missing the point. We won't see the real effects for a generation on the social and cultural side. I have no real issue with immigration my initial stab at cameron was in regards of his rhetoric not politics. He says one thing and does another. I work with people who have disabilites and have seen first hand what these cuts to local services are doing. Examples being individuals who have never been left to live alone in 50 60 years on the planet will now be left for so many hours a day due to funding cuts. As well as all these things a lot is happening to the jobs around vulnerable people for example where continuity of support and specialist training for addiction and harm reduction is vital yet there is a major issue developing where a lot of the provision is part time volunteers. This is going to come back on us one way or another be it via more people putting demands on our health service
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Old 11.03.2014, 09:52 AM
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I would rather have a country flooded with immigrants that want to work for a living than the work shy Kevin's (it's not fair!) of todays British youth.

Too many stand around waiting for someone else to do the work for them and then moan when they get handed their P45s
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Old 11.03.2014, 10:03 AM
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In most countries elderly or sick relatives will live with family and they will make sacrifices to care for them.. in this country we want others to do it or slam them in a home and then berate the care they receive in these homes..there is no comparision between a hireling and a shepherd you know... I am always amazed that as my family have taken care of our niece due to some poor choices by my sister in law that people say things like: 'wow, that's an amazing thing you are doing' or similar.. my view is not really.. we are family and it was either us or a care system we know fails and is difficult to escape from. This country cannot afford to pay for all this specialist care so we can selfishly live our own lives when our family and in most cases parents gave up in some cases careers or something so seemingly inane as shoes etc so we can have and expect us not to do the same when the time comes.. we will all be in need one day, or at least the vast majority of us will need some care.. it is disgusting how we off load our issues to others and walk away expecting someone else to fund it.
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Old 11.03.2014, 10:08 AM
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I would rather have a country flooded with immigrants that want to work for a living than the work shy Kevin's (it's not fair!) of todays British youth.

Too many stand around waiting for someone else to do the work for them and then moan when they get handed their P45s
Not to defend all the kevins but I do wonder how much of our youth unemployment is down to the last government and the education establishments decision to put so many courses that should be taught at college into universities thus limiting the availability. We are drastically falling behind
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Old 11.03.2014, 10:09 AM
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In most countries elderly or sick relatives will live with family and they will make sacrifices to care for them.
I strongly agree with this.

I have hit 30 so my mates say I should move out and be poor and live in a bachelor pad, but my parents cared for me and helped me grow up, now I want to be able to take care of them as they get older.

Would it be different if I meet someone? Yes in terms of moving out of course but I would still do all I could for them. They made sacrifices for me, its the least I can do, to return the favour.
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Old 11.03.2014, 10:15 AM
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In most countries elderly or sick relatives will live with family and they will make sacrifices to care for them.. in this country we want others to do it or slam them in a home and then berate the care they receive in these homes..there is no comparision between a hireling and a shepherd you know... I am always amazed that as my family have taken care of our niece due to some poor choices by my sister in law that people say things like: 'wow, that's an amazing thing you are doing' or similar.. my view is not really.. we are family and it was either us or a care system we know fails and is difficult to escape from. This country cannot afford to pay for all this specialist care so we can selfishly live our own lives when our family and in most cases parents gave up in some cases careers or something so seemingly inane as shoes etc so we can have and expect us not to do the same when the time comes.. we will all be in need one day, or at least the vast majority of us will need some care.. it is disgusting how we off load our issues to others and walk away expecting someone else to fund it.
Whilst this scenario and outcome would be good the truth is things aren't as black and white. Some people are incapable of looking after others, don't want to or quite simply can't afford too. In some instances it actually benefits the individual to have them socialising and making friends within the community. I also think we have now gone beyond the point of return
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Old 13.03.2014, 09:26 AM
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In most countries elderly or sick relatives will live with family and they will make sacrifices to care for them.. in this country we want others to do it or slam them in a home and then berate the care they receive in these homes..there is no comparision between a hireling and a shepherd you know... I am always amazed that as my family have taken care of our niece due to some poor choices by my sister in law that people say things like: 'wow, that's an amazing thing you are doing' or similar.. my view is not really.. we are family and it was either us or a care system we know fails and is difficult to escape from. This country cannot afford to pay for all this specialist care so we can selfishly live our own lives when our family and in most cases parents gave up in some cases careers or something so seemingly inane as shoes etc so we can have and expect us not to do the same when the time comes.. we will all be in need one day, or at least the vast majority of us will need some care.. it is disgusting how we off load our issues to others and walk away expecting someone else to fund it.
Oh the irony of it all, i remember a few years back having a discussion with yourself and many others about the state of this country/the benefit issues etc. Anyhow something that came up from this was the discussion about the large national debts and how we are leaving this to our kids/grandchildren and there kids etc to sort out when we spent the money.

You probably wont remember the conversation of the top of your head but in that conversation i suggested we all pay high taxes as the responsability for it was on us and we shouldnt leave it them etc, well anyway more or less everyone disagreed with this and you were one of the leading voices, In my opinion you were more than happy to leave it to someone else as you felt it was not your fault.

Now your one here talking about this, how ironic
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Old 13.03.2014, 09:51 AM
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Oh the irony of it all, i remember a few years back having a discussion with yourself and many others about the state of this country/the benefit issues etc. Anyhow something that came up from this was the discussion about the large national debts and how we are leaving this to our kids/grandchildren and there kids etc to sort out when we spent the money.

You probably wont remember the conversation of the top of your head but in that conversation i suggested we all pay high taxes as the responsability for it was on us and we shouldnt leave it them etc, well anyway more or less everyone disagreed with this and you were one of the leading voices, In my opinion you were more than happy to leave it to someone else as you felt it was not your fault.

Now your one here talking about this, how ironic
I dont see the correlation at all Lee... here I am talking about family.. I repeat family.. expecting someone else to care for family... and not do it them selves.. in middle eastern and asian cultures they care for their own in house... IE: rather than stick my dad in a home and forget about him as the state pay for his keep I would take him on and make the sacrifice myself.. I understand this is difficult but it should be a family matter..not a state one... my point here is parents sacrifice for their children who then dont or wont return that when the elderly or sick relative is in need of care... this has nothing to do with a taxation chat from way back when.. but on one thing you are correct... I dont recall.. and even if this were the case..(and I dont think it is) am I not allowed a change of opinion or view on a subject matter??
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